Discussion in 'Sports' started by ginscpy, Oct 25, 2010.
I'll take The Snake.
Favre is better.
You can say what you want to say about Brett Farve's personal ethics but you can't say he was not a great quarterback. It will be a long long time before anybody breaks his records.
Stabler was a pin-point passer.
Led Alabama to 11-0 in 1966 his junior season.
Kind of hard to compare since Stabler played years ago, and Favre is now. I am biased toward Stabler though.
Enjoyed him for several years (up until the last 3), do ''color'' on the radio for the BAMA games. He was great at it...
So why isn't Stabler in the NFL HOF then?????
Led the Raiders to the best winning % in theNFL during the 1970s.
Almost invincible on Monday Night Football.
Won a Super Bowl in 1976 - probably should have in 1974 ..........
Heck if I know! He should be.
10 years from now when Payton breaks all his records and people will have had time to reflect without the constant BSPN hype and marketing people will have a more rational look at his career and when they do they'll realise he was a major choke artist when it mattered most (only QB to throw an INT in OT of an NFC Champ. game, and he's done it twice). They'll look at his PO numbers, his leading the league in INT's and fumbles and say most of his positive numbers were due to just playing a long time.
Sure, he'll be universally respected for 'the streak" but at the same time not all of it b/c his detractors will say it should've ended alot sooner, like with the Jets, b/c he clearly was breaking down but didn't want to sit.
This was written now a while ago but it's an excerpt from Sal Palantonio's book: The Paolantonio Report: The Most Overrated and Underrated Players, Teams, Coaches and Moments in NFL History"
We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.
Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.
After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.
Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.
Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.
In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.
Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, was 9-1.
In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.
If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.
But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.
Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.
Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.
But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.
Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!
Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.
but he's a 3 time MVP!!!!, well actually he was co-MVP his last year (everyone forgets) but then again so were Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Peyton Manning also 3 time NFL MVPs.
and the fact that he won 3 in a row, although impressive I could argue that he was good for a short period and then nothing, to me it'd be more impressive if they were spread out.
the above proves he's not even the best QB in Green Bay history, that distinction goes to the great #15.
the second half of Favre's career has been about amassing stats but winning very little when it really counts.
Brett favre is a very overrated QB, taking into account the media's infatuation with him he's the most overrated athlete in sports. Like the article says, if any one of the Mannings or Drew Breese or Rivers would make the throws in crutial situations BF does they'd be lambasted as idots but BF is the teflon guy. Give people some time after he finally does retire, the accounts won't be so glowing.
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