Jury convicts DeLay in money-laundering case

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often. ;)

On disputed evidence and claim.

The evidence met the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, otherwise the jury would not have convicted Delay.
That's a fact, to argue otherwise, especially when you were not in the jury box and heard all of the testimony, is at the very best disingenuous.

Exactly.
But get used to it. The right wing, like Delay, do not want juries deciding anything. They want to push their agenda and ideology on everyone from the moral police to the jury system. Same with "tort reform". To hell with a jury. When things do not go their way they cry like sissies and run from the facts like a monkey on fire stating that it was a "kangaroo court" and all other such hissy fits.
The Democrats also have a bus load of the same left wing mind sets but they sit on the other side of the aisle. Rangel and Maxine Waters come to mind recently.
Us Goldwater conservatives are sick of all of these clowns.
 
No........don't put Delay in jail.

Make him live in a lower income neighborhood on 1,000/month for the next year. Maybe then he'd learn some humility and figure out why ripping off people is a bad idea.
 
On disputed evidence and claim.

The evidence met the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, otherwise the jury would not have convicted Delay.
That's a fact, to argue otherwise, especially when you were not in the jury box and heard all of the testimony, is at the very best disingenuous.

Exactly.
But get used to it. The right wing, like Delay, do not want juries deciding anything. They want to push their agenda and ideology on everyone from the moral police to the jury system. Same with "tort reform". To hell with a jury. When things do not go their way they cry like sissies and run from the facts like a monkey on fire stating that it was a "kangaroo court" and all other such hissy fits.
The Democrats also have a bus load of the same left wing mind sets but they sit on the other side of the aisle. Rangel and Maxine Waters come to mind recently.
Us Goldwater conservatives are sick of all of these clowns.

So are the old school non-progressive liberals.

NOT a "classical liberal which equals conservative", mind you. Just heading that one off at the pass. ;)
 
Why, it's the right wing that almost never posts links. And when they do, they are either stupid have nothing to do with what they are alleging or they support the other side.

But anyway, here's the link because you don't know how to use the "Internets".

To me, what Boehner did was much worse because it affects millions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAC2xeT2yOg&feature
What was illegal? I don't agree with the practice, and I hope Boehner meant it when he said he wouldn't do it again and that the practice must stop, but what was illegal?

Or do you want him to go to jail for being conservative?

Yes, I think that's more likely.

Of course it's not illegal. It's unethical. I have to admit, I never met a Republican bothered by ethics. Seriously, the first thing they ask is, "Is it illegal", then they say, "Well, OK then". As if anything not illegal is OK.

This is why Republicans are the party of "Deregulation". So that anything becomes "legal".

I was watching an old movie the other night staring Bette Davis called, "Little Foxes". One Character said there were people that eats up the whole earth and not give anything back. Their entire lives are just to take. That's how I see the Republicans leadership. To transfer wealth from the middle class. Their goal is to take every penny they can. Nothing but greed. And most of the base agrees. Why? Because they dream of taking that last penny just like the leadership.

This is where the "every man for himself" mentality kicks in. The call it "socialism". But communist Russia was socialism. China is socialism. Republicans have turned helping other Americans into dirty words. Some Republicans try to soothe their conscience by saying, "See how much we give?". But look at what they give, charity. Cans of old creamed corn in the back of the pantry no one wants.

I could never belong to such an awful political party. The party of "greed". The base knows it. They applaud it.

You are delusional. Sounds like DNC Parasite Denial Syndrome to boot. ;)
 
Of course it's not illegal. It's unethical. I have to admit, I never met a Republican bothered by ethics. Seriously, the first thing they ask is, "Is it illegal", then they say, "Well, OK then". As if anything not illegal is OK.
I don't think you've ever met a Republican.

And in case you didn't know it, there are plenty of Democrats with ethics problems. I know you think that's impossible, but you're wrong.

Meanwhile, I guess you missed the part where I said I don't agree with the action.
This is why Republicans are the party of "Deregulation". So that anything becomes "legal".
Unsurprisingly, wrong. Deregulation gets the government out of areas it has no business. This will come as sacrilege to you, but that's a good thing.
I was watching an old movie the other night staring Bette Davis called, "Little Foxes". One Character said there were people that eats up the whole earth and not give anything back. Their entire lives are just to take. That's how I see the Republicans leadership. To transfer wealth from the middle class. Their goal is to take every penny they can. Nothing but greed. And most of the base agrees. Why? Because they dream of taking that last penny just like the leadership.

This is where the "every man for himself" mentality kicks in. The call it "socialism". But communist Russia was socialism. China is socialism. Republicans have turned helping other Americans into dirty words. Some Republicans try to soothe their conscience by saying, "See how much we give?". But look at what they give, charity. Cans of old creamed corn in the back of the pantry no one wants.

I could never belong to such an awful political party. The party of "greed". The base knows it. They applaud it.
Okay, your first problem is you're seeing fiction and treating it as reality. Your second problem is your irrational hatred of conservatives.

Conservatives believe in helping people, and do so individually. Liberals believe in the government forcing people to be charitable...which means it's no longer an act of good will. But you feel good about yourself for "helping", when in fact you have done nothing to help anyone but help point the government gun at other people to make them help.

Liberals are very generous. They'll give you the shirt off someone else's back.
 
What was illegal? I don't agree with the practice, and I hope Boehner meant it when he said he wouldn't do it again and that the practice must stop, but what was illegal?

Or do you want him to go to jail for being conservative?

Yes, I think that's more likely.

Of course it's not illegal. It's unethical. I have to admit, I never met a Republican bothered by ethics. Seriously, the first thing they ask is, "Is it illegal", then they say, "Well, OK then". As if anything not illegal is OK.

This is why Republicans are the party of "Deregulation". So that anything becomes "legal".

I was watching an old movie the other night staring Bette Davis called, "Little Foxes". One Character said there were people that eats up the whole earth and not give anything back. Their entire lives are just to take. That's how I see the Republicans leadership. To transfer wealth from the middle class. Their goal is to take every penny they can. Nothing but greed. And most of the base agrees. Why? Because they dream of taking that last penny just like the leadership.

This is where the "every man for himself" mentality kicks in. The call it "socialism". But communist Russia was socialism. China is socialism. Republicans have turned helping other Americans into dirty words. Some Republicans try to soothe their conscience by saying, "See how much we give?". But look at what they give, charity. Cans of old creamed corn in the back of the pantry no one wants.

I could never belong to such an awful political party. The party of "greed". The base knows it. They applaud it.

You are delusional. Sounds like DNC Parasite Denial Syndrome to boot. ;)

Every man for himself. Helping other Americans is "socialism". I think I've pretty much summed up the Republican Party.

No one one on the right says, "You're wrong because....." The reason? There is no "because".
 
Of course it's not illegal. It's unethical. I have to admit, I never met a Republican bothered by ethics. Seriously, the first thing they ask is, "Is it illegal", then they say, "Well, OK then". As if anything not illegal is OK.
I don't think you've ever met a Republican.

And in case you didn't know it, there are plenty of Democrats with ethics problems. I know you think that's impossible, but you're wrong.

Meanwhile, I guess you missed the part where I said I don't agree with the action.
This is why Republicans are the party of "Deregulation". So that anything becomes "legal".
Unsurprisingly, wrong. Deregulation gets the government out of areas it has no business. This will come as sacrilege to you, but that's a good thing.
I was watching an old movie the other night staring Bette Davis called, "Little Foxes". One Character said there were people that eats up the whole earth and not give anything back. Their entire lives are just to take. That's how I see the Republicans leadership. To transfer wealth from the middle class. Their goal is to take every penny they can. Nothing but greed. And most of the base agrees. Why? Because they dream of taking that last penny just like the leadership.

This is where the "every man for himself" mentality kicks in. The call it "socialism". But communist Russia was socialism. China is socialism. Republicans have turned helping other Americans into dirty words. Some Republicans try to soothe their conscience by saying, "See how much we give?". But look at what they give, charity. Cans of old creamed corn in the back of the pantry no one wants.

I could never belong to such an awful political party. The party of "greed". The base knows it. They applaud it.
Okay, your first problem is you're seeing fiction and treating it as reality. Your second problem is your irrational hatred of conservatives.

Conservatives believe in helping people, and do so individually. Liberals believe in the government forcing people to be charitable...which means it's no longer an act of good will. But you feel good about yourself for "helping", when in fact you have done nothing to help anyone but help point the government gun at other people to make them help.

Liberals are very generous. They'll give you the shirt off someone else's back.

I don't hate the right wing. I don't trust them. I don't like their philosophy of "every man for himself".

But if you want to talk about "delusion" try, "Conservatives believe in helping people, and do so individually. Liberals believe in the government forcing people to be charitable...which means it's no longer an act of good will."

Conservatives help people individually. That's where that old can of creamed corn comes in from that back of the pantry.

Most liberals don't believe in "Charity". That's the problem with the right. They are simple and have this enormous lack of understanding. But it's a kind of "determined ignorance". They will be ignorant and no one is going to stop them so there.

Liberals like such things as "education" and "jobs training". Republicans? What do they like? I honestly don't know. I only know what they don't like and that seems to be everything.

What have conservatives done for this country in the last 20 years? Scientific innovation? No. Public works? No. Programs to help anybody? No. Technical innovation? No. Universities? No. Good music? No. Art? No. I can't think of anything. Neither can they. Go ahead. Name stuff. Prove me wrong.

They brought us war and death and the richest elites the world has ever known on the backs of the middle class and a ruined economy.
 
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Of course it's not illegal. It's unethical. I have to admit, I never met a Republican bothered by ethics. Seriously, the first thing they ask is, "Is it illegal", then they say, "Well, OK then". As if anything not illegal is OK.
I don't think you've ever met a Republican.

And in case you didn't know it, there are plenty of Democrats with ethics problems. I know you think that's impossible, but you're wrong.

Meanwhile, I guess you missed the part where I said I don't agree with the action.

Unsurprisingly, wrong. Deregulation gets the government out of areas it has no business. This will come as sacrilege to you, but that's a good thing.
I was watching an old movie the other night staring Bette Davis called, "Little Foxes". One Character said there were people that eats up the whole earth and not give anything back. Their entire lives are just to take. That's how I see the Republicans leadership. To transfer wealth from the middle class. Their goal is to take every penny they can. Nothing but greed. And most of the base agrees. Why? Because they dream of taking that last penny just like the leadership.

This is where the "every man for himself" mentality kicks in. The call it "socialism". But communist Russia was socialism. China is socialism. Republicans have turned helping other Americans into dirty words. Some Republicans try to soothe their conscience by saying, "See how much we give?". But look at what they give, charity. Cans of old creamed corn in the back of the pantry no one wants.

I could never belong to such an awful political party. The party of "greed". The base knows it. They applaud it.
Okay, your first problem is you're seeing fiction and treating it as reality. Your second problem is your irrational hatred of conservatives.

Conservatives believe in helping people, and do so individually. Liberals believe in the government forcing people to be charitable...which means it's no longer an act of good will. But you feel good about yourself for "helping", when in fact you have done nothing to help anyone but help point the government gun at other people to make them help.

Liberals are very generous. They'll give you the shirt off someone else's back.

I don't hate the right wing. I don't trust them. I don't like their philosophy of "every man for himself".

But if you want to talk about "delusion" try, "Conservatives believe in helping people, and do so individually. Liberals believe in the government forcing people to be charitable...which means it's no longer an act of good will."

Conservatives help people individually. That's where that old can of creamed corn comes in from that back of the pantry.

Most liberals don't believe in "Charity". That's the problem with the right. They are simple and have this enormous lack of understanding. But it's a kind of "determined ignorance". They will be ignorant and no one is going to stop them so there.

Liberals like such things as "education" and "jobs training". Republicans? What do they like? I honestly don't know. I only know what they don't like and that seems to be everything.

What have conservatives done for this country in the last 20 years? Scientific innovation? No. Public works? No. Programs to help anybody? No. Technical innovation? No. Universities? No. Good music? No. Art? No. I can't think of anything. Neither can they. Go ahead. Name stuff. Prove me wrong.

They brought us war and death and the richest elites the world has ever known on the backs of the middle class and a ruined economy.
Wow. You just can't argue with this kind of delusion. But you should probably be aware that if conservatives were as evil as you claim, you'd be dead by now.

Happy Thanksgiving, Dean.
 
This is why our system is screwed up. I think the new GOP Speaker, John Boehner passing out bribes on the House Floor and being video taped doing it is much, much worse.

And don't go asking me for links right wingers. You can go to Youtube and watch yourself.
We know better than to ask you for links, Skippy. :lol:
Yeah....before you know it....you'd run-into the LOCALS, raisin' Hell.

:rolleyes:
 
Deregulation gets the government out of areas it has no business.

Why do the Republicans want to abolish the EPA? Does the government have no business regulating drinking water and clean air?
Who says the GOP wants to abolish the EPA? I don't.

Hey, Dirty Dave. Did you check all those links from post 152? And that was only a few. Wanna bet I could find a dozen more?

Why would you think a political party that apologizes to BP would be on the side of the EPA? Does that make any sense at all? Come on now. If you want to debate, OK, but that means you have to "debate".

Next you'll be saying, "I don't know Republicans, I'm an Independent".
 
Unsurprisingly, only one of those links -- Redstate -- says anything about abolishing the EPA. The others call for it to be scaled back. And the Redstate piece is by an anonymous blogger, so I think we can safely ignore that one as being representative of all Republicans.

So perhaps you need to edit your statement to "Why does a Republican want to abolish the EPA?" Then you will have provided backup for it.
 
This is why our system is screwed up. I think the new GOP Speaker, John Boehner passing out bribes on the House Floor and being video taped doing it is much, much worse.

And don't go asking me for links right wingers. You can go to Youtube and watch yourself.
We know better than to ask you for links, Skippy. :lol:
Yeah....before you know it....you'd run-into the LOCALS, raisin' Hell.

:rolleyes:
Wow. Progressives don't like Boehner. Gasp. :cuckoo:
 
Why do the Republicans want to abolish the EPA? Does the government have no business regulating drinking water and clean air?
Who says the GOP wants to abolish the EPA? I don't.

Hey, Dirty Dave. Did you check all those links from post 152? And that was only a few. Wanna bet I could find a dozen more?
You can look, but I hope you have better luck than Synth. Most of his links don't support what he claimed. :lol:
Why would you think a political party that apologizes to BP would be on the side of the EPA? Does that make any sense at all? Come on now. If you want to debate, OK, but that means you have to "debate".
Is that what you claim to be doing? :lol:

Say, did you read that report that found no evidence that BP put money over safety? Doesn't quite square with the Administration's witch hunt, does it?

Don't bother answering. You won't get it right anyway.
Next you'll be saying, "I don't know Republicans, I'm an Independent".
I'm more a conservative than a Republican, although I'm registered GOP.

So it looks like, once again, you're wrong. :lol:
 
Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com

By Mike Ward and Laylan Copelin | Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 01:27 PM

Update: 5 p.m.:
Tom DeLay, the former U.S. House majority leader whose name became synonymous with the Republicans’ controversial rise to power in the Texas House, was found guilty today of laundering money in connection with the 2002 elections.

Jurors sent a note on yellow legal paper that a verdict had been reached to the judge at 4:46 p.m. They had deliberated since Monday afternoon.

DeLay was charged with money laundering and conspiracy to commit money. He faces a possible sentence of 5-99 years in prison and a maximum $10,000 fine on the money laundering charge, and 2-20 years in prison and a possible $10,000 fine on the conspiracy charge.

Prosecutors earlier said they believe the DeLay case is the first such criminal charge ever filed over Texas’ century-old prohibition on corporate contributions in state political races.
Delay, a Republican who was nicknamed “The Hammer” because of his heavy-handed style, was accused of conspiring to funnel $190,000 of corporate money through the Republican National Committee, which sent $190,000 in campaign donations to seven GOP candidates for the Texas House.

State law prohibits corporations from giving donations to candidates directly or indirectly.

It seems democrats can do the same thing and get a slap on the wrist

Federal and state investigators are looking into former Gov. Mike Easley’s dealings with friends and contributors while in office and his wife, Mary Easley’s, high-paying job at N.C. State University.
Coverage of federal, state investigations into former Gov. Mike Easley, Mary Easley :: WRAL.com

So what is your point fuckwit? That you don't believe in the jury system? Texas is a red state you moron! Are you accusing the jury of working for the democrats? I swear..you are the dumbest sack of flaming shit on this MB!
 
AUSTIN, Texas -- Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay -- once one of the most powerful and feared Republicans in Congress -- was convicted Wednesday on charges he illegally funneled corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.

Jurors deliberated for 19 hours before returning guilty verdicts against DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces up to life in prison on the money laundering charge.

After the verdicts were read, DeLay hugged his daughter, Danielle, and his wife, Christine. His lead attorney, Dick DeGuerin, said they planned to appeal the verdict.

"This is an abuse of power. It's a miscarriage of justice, and I still maintain that I am innocent. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system and I'm very disappointed in the outcome," DeLay told reporters outside the courtroom. He remains free on bond, and his sentencing was tentatively set to begin on Dec. 20.

Prosecutors said DeLay, who once held the No. 2 job in the House of Representatives and whose heavy-handed style earned him the nickname "the Hammer," used his political action committee to illegally channel $190,000 in corporate donations into 2002 Texas legislative races through a money swap.

DeLay and his attorneys maintained the former Houston-area congressman did nothing wrong as no corporate funds went to Texas candidates and the money swap was legal.

Tom DeLay Guilty: Jury Convicts Tom DeLay in Money Laundering Trial - ktla.com
I like how, in typical CON$ervative fashion, he blames the STUPIDITY of the American people for his conviction.
Ya' gotta figure.....he spent (probably) waaaaaaaaay-too-many years huffin' DDT.​
 

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