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Key words, how fucking dumb can you get, Dive?
Once again you demonstrate the idiocy of an ideologically driven veiw of reality. The ice goes, the climate will undergo a major change. One that will make the crop losses of this year appear minor.
Well, the price of beer is going up by as much as 40% because of the grain harvest damage. Now that might get your attention.
Dive will never approach your level of ignorance nor religious faith there old fraud. James Weddell, while captaining the sealer Jane, attained the most southerly point ever attained by ship in the year 1823 of 74 degrees 15 minutes South and 34 degrees 16 minutes 45 seconds West.
That is at least 200 miles further south than any onter ship has been able to penetrate. The Antarctic was exceptionally warm in that year. I would hazard a guess that the Arctic was likewise absent ice that year as well. Sadly no one bothered to travel north that year so we don't know. So it is merely a supposition.
Key words, how fucking dumb can you get, Dive?
Once again you demonstrate the idiocy of an ideologically driven veiw of reality. The ice goes, the climate will undergo a major change. One that will make the crop losses of this year appear minor.
Well, the price of beer is going up by as much as 40% because of the grain harvest damage. Now that might get your attention.
Dive will never approach your level of ignorance nor religious faith there old fraud. James Weddell, while captaining the sealer Jane, attained the most southerly point ever attained by ship in the year 1823 of 74 degrees 15 minutes South and 34 degrees 16 minutes 45 seconds West.
That is at least 200 miles further south than any onter ship has been able to penetrate. The Antarctic was exceptionally warm in that year. I would hazard a guess that the Arctic was likewise absent ice that year as well. Sadly no one bothered to travel north that year so we don't know. So it is merely a supposition.
Who the fuck stated that "the Antartic was exceptionally warm that year" in 1823?
If no one had ever been that far south EVER before how the hell does ANYONE make the foolish claim that it "was exceptionally warm" that year opposed to any other?
You have zero credibility.
1823
British whaler James Weddell discovers the sea named after him and then reaches the most southerly point at that time 74° 15' S. No one else manages to penetrate the Weddell sea again for 80 years.
Antarctica History, a time line of the exploration of Antarctica
Cook was the first person to use the term, Southern Ocean, to describe this area. Other notable expeditions were made by Sir Drake, who reached the tip of South America in 1578, Abel Tasman, who sailed south from Australia into the Southern Ocean in 1642, James Weddell in 1823, and by the HMS Challenger in 1873-74 (Deacon, 1984}
The Antarctic Circumpolar Current
Finally deciding that if there was any new land it must be to the south, he once again set course that way. By February 17, 1823 Weddell was deep into the Weddell Sea. On February 20, at longitude 34°16'45"W, James Weddell fixed his position at 74°15'S, further south than anyone had ever gone before. It would be over 80 years before anyone could get that far south again in the Weddell Sea.
Antarctic History
But the past CAN be taken as a template for the future so far as broad climate trends and other such phenomena occur.
We know when certain comets will be visible to us based on studies of long histories. We know when certain meteor showers will put on a show based on studies of long histories. And we know that the Planet Earth regularly goes through climate shifts ranging from ice ages to warm, humid, lush, fertile periods. What are now deserts were once rain forest. What are ice fields now were once arable ice free meadows. We know that even the giant plates upon which we live are constantly expanding and then coming back together.
But within the relatively short period that we have been able to study climate and general livability, to think that we can predict that in any more than the broadest generalities is foolish. The best that we have determined, it occurs in broad generalities with many variances up and down throughout the process.
As long as humankind has been keeping climate records on Earth, there are still more unexplainable variables than there are explainable ones. And because we have been keeping records for such a short time, every day sees a new 'record' low and a new 'record' high somewhere.
When the computer models can't use the data we have to predict the climate that we have NOW, why in the world should we trust those models to tell us conclusively what is coming?
But the past CAN be taken as a template for the future so far as broad climate trends and other such phenomena occur.
We know when certain comets will be visible to us based on studies of long histories. We know when certain meteor showers will put on a show based on studies of long histories. And we know that the Planet Earth regularly goes through climate shifts ranging from ice ages to warm, humid, lush, fertile periods. What are now deserts were once rain forest. What are ice fields now were once arable ice free meadows. We know that even the giant plates upon which we live are constantly expanding and then coming back together.
But within the relatively short period that we have been able to study climate and general livability, to think that we can predict that in any more than the broadest generalities is foolish. The best that we have determined, it occurs in broad generalities with many variances up and down throughout the process.
As long as humankind has been keeping climate records on Earth, there are still more unexplainable variables than there are explainable ones. And because we have been keeping records for such a short time, every day sees a new 'record' low and a new 'record' high somewhere.
When the computer models can't use the data we have to predict the climate that we have NOW, why in the world should we trust those models to tell us conclusively what is coming?
Exactly. Too many people think that climate should remain stable just because we are here to measure it. Aint gonna happen
yeah, because a 30 year record is significant in the time frame of 4.5 BILLION yearsKey words, how fucking dumb can you get, Dive?
Once again you demonstrate the idiocy of an ideologically driven veiw of reality. The ice goes, the climate will undergo a major change. One that will make the crop losses of this year appear minor.
Well, the price of beer is going up by as much as 40% because of the grain harvest damage. Now that might get your attention.
but thats exactly what AGW believers claimKey words, how fucking dumb can you get, Dive?
Once again you demonstrate the idiocy of an ideologically driven veiw of reality. The ice goes, the climate will undergo a major change. One that will make the crop losses of this year appear minor.
Well, the price of beer is going up by as much as 40% because of the grain harvest damage. Now that might get your attention.
Dive will never approach your level of ignorance nor religious faith there old fraud. James Weddell, while captaining the sealer Jane, attained the most southerly point ever attained by ship in the year 1823 of 74 degrees 15 minutes South and 34 degrees 16 minutes 45 seconds West.
That is at least 200 miles further south than any onter ship has been able to penetrate. The Antarctic was exceptionally warm in that year. I would hazard a guess that the Arctic was likewise absent ice that year as well. Sadly no one bothered to travel north that year so we don't know. So it is merely a supposition.
Who the fuck stated that "the Antartic was exceptionally warm that year" in 1823?
If no one had ever been that far south EVER before how the hell does ANYONE make the foolish claim that it "was exceptionally warm" that year opposed to any other?
You have zero credibility.
but thats exactly what AGW believers claimDive will never approach your level of ignorance nor religious faith there old fraud. James Weddell, while captaining the sealer Jane, attained the most southerly point ever attained by ship in the year 1823 of 74 degrees 15 minutes South and 34 degrees 16 minutes 45 seconds West.
That is at least 200 miles further south than any onter ship has been able to penetrate. The Antarctic was exceptionally warm in that year. I would hazard a guess that the Arctic was likewise absent ice that year as well. Sadly no one bothered to travel north that year so we don't know. So it is merely a supposition.
Who the fuck stated that "the Antartic was exceptionally warm that year" in 1823?
If no one had ever been that far south EVER before how the hell does ANYONE make the foolish claim that it "was exceptionally warm" that year opposed to any other?
You have zero credibility.
thanks for pointing out how fucking STUPID it is to make such claims
but thats exactly what AGW believers claimDive will never approach your level of ignorance nor religious faith there old fraud. James Weddell, while captaining the sealer Jane, attained the most southerly point ever attained by ship in the year 1823 of 74 degrees 15 minutes South and 34 degrees 16 minutes 45 seconds West.
That is at least 200 miles further south than any onter ship has been able to penetrate. The Antarctic was exceptionally warm in that year. I would hazard a guess that the Arctic was likewise absent ice that year as well. Sadly no one bothered to travel north that year so we don't know. So it is merely a supposition.
Who the fuck stated that "the Antartic was exceptionally warm that year" in 1823?
If no one had ever been that far south EVER before how the hell does ANYONE make the foolish claim that it "was exceptionally warm" that year opposed to any other?
You have zero credibility.
thanks for pointing out how fucking STUPID it is to make such claims
Yep. Chris, aided and abetted by others, seems almost desperate to have us believe that a 30 year record is cause for alarm. Yet when Weddell makes it far south into the Weddell sea and nobody is able to repeat that for the next 80 years because it is so much colder and there is so much more ice, we're not supposed to conclude that is was warmer than 'normal' when Weddell went????
Key words, how fucking dumb can you get, Dive?
Once again you demonstrate the idiocy of an ideologically driven veiw of reality. The ice goes, the climate will undergo a major change. One that will make the crop losses of this year appear minor.
Well, the price of beer is going up by as much as 40% because of the grain harvest damage. Now that might get your attention.
Dive will never approach your level of ignorance nor religious faith there old fraud. James Weddell, while captaining the sealer Jane, attained the most southerly point ever attained by ship in the year 1823 of 74 degrees 15 minutes South and 34 degrees 16 minutes 45 seconds West.
That is at least 200 miles further south than any onter ship has been able to penetrate. The Antarctic was exceptionally warm in that year. I would hazard a guess that the Arctic was likewise absent ice that year as well. Sadly no one bothered to travel north that year so we don't know. So it is merely a supposition.
Who the fuck stated that "the Antartic was exceptionally warm that year" in 1823?
If no one had ever been that far south EVER before how the hell does ANYONE make the foolish claim that it "was exceptionally warm" that year opposed to any other?
You have zero credibility.
The problem is that the past can't be taken as a template for the future, if underlying conditions have changed. Like, humans emitting more CO2 in days than all the volcanoes on earth do in a year.
New Asteroid Threat to Earth
Impact Potential in 2014 - Updated; No Threat
Although scientists have basically cleared us from any danger from asteroid 2002 NT7, which originally had been reported as an impact hazard for the year 2019, a newer space rock has been spotted, which may pose a threat even sooner.
At around 1.2 km in width, 2003 QQ47 is substantially smaller than 2002 NT7 (2km), but has been called "an event meriting careful monitoring" by astronomers. If an impact does occur, it could be on March 21, 2014.
Discovered on August 24, 2003, by the Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research Project (an MIT Lincoln Laboratory program funded by the United States Air Force and NASA) in New Mexico, 2003 QQ47 has been classified as a 1 on the Torino scale of impact hazards. Scientists are urging calm, however, saying the odds of a catastrophic collision are only around 1 in 909,000.
The orbit of this asteroid has been calculated on only 51 observations during a seven-day period and require further observations to determine if any danger does exist. It will be monitored closely over the next two months. Astronomers expect the risk of impact to decrease significantly as more data is gathered.
If it does strike Earth, the impact could have the effect of over 20 million Hiroshima style atomic bombs. As Billy Bob Thornton says in Armageddon, It's what we call a Global Killer....the end of mankind. Half the world will be incinerated by the heat blast.....the rest will freeze to death in a nuclear winter. Basically, the worst part of the Bible! . . . .
New Asteroid Threat to Earth - Impact Potential in 2014
You know, some of our dooms dayers seem to really need something to focus on and worry about in order to be happy. The odds of the following happening are theoretically about 1 in 900,000+. But based on the evidence we have so far, it seems that this should be a far bigger concern than global warming right now.
However long the odds that this will be a danger to us, it is an honest to goodness threat. And there's almost certainly more of them out there. I think we ought to be focusing our resources on dealing with ways to address this risk:
New Asteroid Threat to Earth
Impact Potential in 2014 - Updated; No Threat
Although scientists have basically cleared us from any danger from asteroid 2002 NT7, which originally had been reported as an impact hazard for the year 2019, a newer space rock has been spotted, which may pose a threat even sooner.
At around 1.2 km in width, 2003 QQ47 is substantially smaller than 2002 NT7 (2km), but has been called "an event meriting careful monitoring" by astronomers. If an impact does occur, it could be on March 21, 2014.
Discovered on August 24, 2003, by the Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research Project (an MIT Lincoln Laboratory program funded by the United States Air Force and NASA) in New Mexico, 2003 QQ47 has been classified as a 1 on the Torino scale of impact hazards. Scientists are urging calm, however, saying the odds of a catastrophic collision are only around 1 in 909,000.
The orbit of this asteroid has been calculated on only 51 observations during a seven-day period and require further observations to determine if any danger does exist. It will be monitored closely over the next two months. Astronomers expect the risk of impact to decrease significantly as more data is gathered.
If it does strike Earth, the impact could have the effect of over 20 million Hiroshima style atomic bombs. As Billy Bob Thornton says in Armageddon, It's what we call a Global Killer....the end of mankind. Half the world will be incinerated by the heat blast.....the rest will freeze to death in a nuclear winter. Basically, the worst part of the Bible! . . . .
New Asteroid Threat to Earth - Impact Potential in 2014
that would be Bush's fault tooYou know, some of our dooms dayers seem to really need something to focus on and worry about in order to be happy. The odds of the following happening are theoretically about 1 in 900,000+. But based on the evidence we have so far, it seems that this should be a far bigger concern than global warming right now.
However long the odds that this will be a danger to us, it is an honest to goodness threat. And there's almost certainly more of them out there. I think we ought to be focusing our resources on dealing with ways to address this risk:
New Asteroid Threat to Earth
Impact Potential in 2014 - Updated; No Threat
Although scientists have basically cleared us from any danger from asteroid 2002 NT7, which originally had been reported as an impact hazard for the year 2019, a newer space rock has been spotted, which may pose a threat even sooner.
At around 1.2 km in width, 2003 QQ47 is substantially smaller than 2002 NT7 (2km), but has been called "an event meriting careful monitoring" by astronomers. If an impact does occur, it could be on March 21, 2014.
Discovered on August 24, 2003, by the Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research Project (an MIT Lincoln Laboratory program funded by the United States Air Force and NASA) in New Mexico, 2003 QQ47 has been classified as a 1 on the Torino scale of impact hazards. Scientists are urging calm, however, saying the odds of a catastrophic collision are only around 1 in 909,000.
The orbit of this asteroid has been calculated on only 51 observations during a seven-day period and require further observations to determine if any danger does exist. It will be monitored closely over the next two months. Astronomers expect the risk of impact to decrease significantly as more data is gathered.
If it does strike Earth, the impact could have the effect of over 20 million Hiroshima style atomic bombs. As Billy Bob Thornton says in Armageddon, It's what we call a Global Killer....the end of mankind. Half the world will be incinerated by the heat blast.....the rest will freeze to death in a nuclear winter. Basically, the worst part of the Bible! . . . .
New Asteroid Threat to Earth - Impact Potential in 2014
You know, some of our dooms dayers seem to really need something to focus on and worry about in order to be happy. The odds of the following happening are theoretically about 1 in 900,000+. But based on the evidence we have so far, it seems that this should be a far bigger concern than global warming right now.
However long the odds that this will be a danger to us, it is an honest to goodness threat. And there's almost certainly more of them out there. I think we ought to be focusing our resources on dealing with ways to address this risk:
New Asteroid Threat to Earth
Impact Potential in 2014 - Updated; No Threat
Although scientists have basically cleared us from any danger from asteroid 2002 NT7, which originally had been reported as an impact hazard for the year 2019, a newer space rock has been spotted, which may pose a threat even sooner.
At around 1.2 km in width, 2003 QQ47 is substantially smaller than 2002 NT7 (2km), but has been called "an event meriting careful monitoring" by astronomers. If an impact does occur, it could be on March 21, 2014.
Discovered on August 24, 2003, by the Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research Project (an MIT Lincoln Laboratory program funded by the United States Air Force and NASA) in New Mexico, 2003 QQ47 has been classified as a 1 on the Torino scale of impact hazards. Scientists are urging calm, however, saying the odds of a catastrophic collision are only around 1 in 909,000.
The orbit of this asteroid has been calculated on only 51 observations during a seven-day period and require further observations to determine if any danger does exist. It will be monitored closely over the next two months. Astronomers expect the risk of impact to decrease significantly as more data is gathered.
If it does strike Earth, the impact could have the effect of over 20 million Hiroshima style atomic bombs. As Billy Bob Thornton says in Armageddon, It's what we call a Global Killer....the end of mankind. Half the world will be incinerated by the heat blast.....the rest will freeze to death in a nuclear winter. Basically, the worst part of the Bible! . . . .
New Asteroid Threat to Earth - Impact Potential in 2014
Foxfyre is absolutely correct on this. We piss billions of dollars down the rathole of GW research and that has given us nothing useful. It has not made a single persons life better (well not a person not associated with GW research, those folks have done quite well with OUR money), it has not made one contribution to mans well being, not one. After 100 billion dollars you would think they would have had something to show for all of that money...but no they don't.
thats what the AGW purists doYou know, some of our dooms dayers seem to really need something to focus on and worry about in order to be happy. The odds of the following happening are theoretically about 1 in 900,000+. But based on the evidence we have so far, it seems that this should be a far bigger concern than global warming right now.
However long the odds that this will be a danger to us, it is an honest to goodness threat. And there's almost certainly more of them out there. I think we ought to be focusing our resources on dealing with ways to address this risk:
Foxfyre is absolutely correct on this. We piss billions of dollars down the rathole of GW research and that has given us nothing useful. It has not made a single persons life better (well not a person not associated with GW research, those folks have done quite well with OUR money), it has not made one contribution to mans well being, not one. After 100 billion dollars you would think they would have had something to show for all of that money...but no they don't.
