So you're going to ignore everything that I said except for the fact that I'm a libertarian? Should I take that as your concession that you are, in fact, a partisan Democrat? Also, no, liberty isn't based on morals. Liberty is a word that describes the freedom to act according to one's own will and without the interference of anyone else's will. Liberty is man's natural state. In a vacuum free of any other people, a human being has liberty. That said, yes, all governments are based on morals. Our government, as is made crystal clear in the language of our founding documents, was based largely around the moral value of individual liberty, which is coincidentally the highest political-philosophical value for most libertarians. Each citizen being free to follow their -own- morals as opposed to someone else forcing them to conduct themselves in any particular way. The concession to morality therein is that the right to self-determination ends at the point at which one forces their will onto someone else. -Individual- rights. Live and let live. What you're talking about is a moral issue that doesn't involve one citizen using force against another. . . nowhere do our founding documents necessitate that a fetus is a human or a citizen. The fetus's status as a full-fledged human is purely a philosophical argument and nothing that necessarily affects any human being other than the mother. Therefore, I see no reason for government intervention for moral purposes as the immoral act can be said to be victimless. I don't agree with these particular definitions, but again I feel that this potentially enforces my moral will on people who aren't necessarily affecting anyone but themselves. Next up, "Government is always bad" is a hopelessly fuckin stupid simplification of libertarian philosophy. What that describes is the philosophy of an anarchist, which is not the same thing. A libertarian believes that government is a necessary evil to ensure that each individual's rights are protected from other individuals and groups who would force their will upon others. Also, this people run the government, put your trust in the people, the people will be the best America always. . . um. . . what!? I'm guessing this odd tangent is your way of doubling down on the same concept that drives your beliefs regarding the mainstream media? Popularity = correctness? What about when "the people" believed the Earth was flat? What about when "the people" believed man would never fly? What about when "the people" believed that "the people" of African decent weren't really "people"? Sorry, but the masses don't know shit and Fox News didn't tell me anything of the sort. History books did. Speaking of Fox News, how is it that you've come under the mistaken belief that libertarians take their queues from Fox News? John Stossel and Judge Napolitano are the only libertarians on that entire network. Stossel has a 1 hr spot weekly during some shit ratings window and Napolitano doesn't even have a show, just guest spots here and there. Most of Fox News tends to side with harder right republican types, particularly those in the "establishment", and most libertarians, myself included, consider most of Fox News to be republican party cheerleaders and not a balanced source of information. Fox pushed Romney, libertarians voted Paul. Fox pushes Christian social values and conservative social engineering, libertarians tend to value the government staying as far out of social issues as possible. You're seriously confusing several different factions when you make the implication that Fox News is a guiding influence on libertarian opinions. It's actually even more ironic because your entire schtick is that people should think for themselves in stead of following blindly behind a party platform. Libertarians are an example of exactly that, and yet you mistakenly paint them as the republican rank and file. Sorry, but that rank and file is pretty far from libertarian. That rank and file tends toward socially conservative statism and most libertarians, myself included, don't approve. Seriously, if you're going to go so far out of your way to bash libertarianism, figure out wtf you're bashing first. The only thing worse than being ignorant is being hostile and opinionated about it. You should've started your post off with, "We don't take kindly to your type around these here parts!" Edit: I keep mixing up queues and cues lately. I gotta lay off the weed.