Joe Rogan is Right, Wall Street Journal: Pfizer/Moderna COVID Shots Cause Myocarditis

[Smokin' OP]

Newsflash for everyone. The smallpox vaccine causes myocarditis at much higher rates than the covid vaccines. The measles vaccines cause blood clots. Where is your fake outrage over those vaccines?

Don't forget, if you had smallpox, the shingles virus is already in you.
The new shingles vaccine gives you an increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
Your immune system attacks your nervous system.

 

[Smokin' OP]

The problem is you are ignorant of the fact the mRNA injection are NOT vaccines and can not work at all like a vaccine.

Yes, they are, instead of a pathogen to induce an immune response, mRNA vaccines use an antigen.
They do the same fucking thing, moron.
Activate your immune system.

The way REAL vaccines work is that they contain essentially dead viruses, so that the immune system can remember how to identify and how to attack that virus in the future.

Just like the flu shot?
Why do so many people take the flu shot every year then?

But mRNA has no virus, and only contains instructions to get our own ribosomes to grow spike proteins in our own cells.
That can't be stored in immunity T-cell memory because spike proteins are not unique.

Yes, they are, it's the white blood cells that fight the pathogen, Covid-19.
White blood cells contain T cells, it's part of their structure.

Our own exosomes use them.
That is why our own cells have ACE2 receptors the spike proteins open.
So the claims these mRNA injections give any sort of immunity, are false.

Correct, they are, false.
Who is spreading that rumor?
FOX, RW radio, podcasters, and dentists.

NO, vaccine gives you immunity.
Your immune system gives you immunity.

 

[Smokin' OP]

The mRNA injections only temporarily lower risk.

That would depend on YOUR immune system, a 65-year-old vs. a 20-year-old and the dosage.

That is because the excess spike proteins they stimulate, then are detected as debris, and the immune system produces some extra antibodies temporarily, to help clean up.
But there is no permanent immunity or advantage given by the mRNA injections.

No shit.

And in the long run, they cause harm,

In the long run, Covid causes harm or death, choose your poison.

because they prevent recovery immunity that would end the epidemic entirely.

The only way to provide immunity from an epidemic is stopping a virus or bacteria from mutating, creating new strains, that are immune from a vaccine.

 

[Burgermeister]

Holy shit the confidence ignorance is amazing.

 

[krichton]

Don't forget, if you had smallpox, the shingles virus is already in you.
The new shingles vaccine gives you an increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
Your immune system attacks your nervous system.

We might as well get rid of all medicine since very nearly all have side effects on some level. I heard the wet towel on the forehead is making a comeback.

 

[eagle1462010]

Wants to have Trump's baby.

Sorry cant help you with your obsession with Trump

 

[Rigby5]

Newsflash for everyone. The smallpox vaccine causes myocarditis at much higher rates than the covid vaccines. The measles vaccines cause blood clots. Where is your fake outrage over those vaccines?

Sorry, but that is a total lie.
The mRNA vaccines are over 10 times the number of fatal or serious side effects, compared to any real vaccine in history.
Real vaccines almost never cause problems, and it is a rare allergic reaction to eggs or something else, when they do.

 

[Rigby5]

We might as well get rid of all medicine since very nearly all have side effects on some level. I heard the wet towel on the forehead is making a comeback.

That is just totally wrong.
All vaccines are nearly harmless except a few allergic rarities.
In contrast, the mRNA injections are ALWAYs harmful and have no lasting positives at all.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, they are, instead of a pathogen to induce an immune response, mRNA vaccines use an antigen.
They do the same fucking thing, moron.
Activate your immune system.


Just like the flu shot?
Why do so many people take the flu shot every year then?

Yes, they are, it's the white blood cells that fight the pathogen, Covid-19.
White blood cells contain T cells, it's part of their structure.

Correct, they are, false.
Who is spreading that rumor?
FOX, RW radio, podcasters, and dentists.

NO, vaccine gives you immunity.
Your immune system gives you immunity.

Wrong.
The mRNA injections do not help the immune system identify any pathogen at all, because they do not contain any pathogen.
Activating the temporary production of antibodies is NOT immunity in any way.
There is no T-cell memory with these mRNA injections, so have NO similarity to any real vaccine.

You also are ignorant about flu.
The flu vaccine last a life time.
The reason you need different flu shots every year is there are actually 100s of different illnesses we collectively call "flu", and each year we only guess at which one we might want a vaccine for.

All real vaccine teach your immune system how to build an immunity to a particular pathogen.
But these mRNA injections just promote a one time, temporary, debris collection production of antibodies.
They are worthless because they prevent real immunity from recovery.

And no, white blood cells are only one of many immune system components.
White blood cells are in the blood, which T-cells stay in the bone marrow, and are nothing like white blood cells.
But there are lots of other immune system components, like cytokines, phages, antibodies, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

That would depend on YOUR immune system, a 65-year-old vs. a 20-year-old and the dosage.

No shit.

In the long run, Covid causes harm or death, choose your poison.

The only way to provide immunity from an epidemic is stopping a virus or bacteria from mutating, creating new strains, that are immune from a vaccine.

No, the fact these mRNA injections only provide temporary symptom reduction does not at all depend on anything.
They simply can NEVER work as any sort of vaccine, at all.
They are only a one shot treatment.

There mRNA injections prevent the epidemic from ending, by preventing recovery immunity, and therefore herd immunity.
The epidemic could have been ended in the first month, through recovery immunity and herd immunity.
So the 800,000 additional deaths are murders by those pushing the fake vaccines.

 

[krichton]

That is just totally wrong.
All vaccines are nearly harmless except a few allergic rarities.
In contrast, the mRNA injections are ALWAYs harmful and have no lasting positives at all.

Nope, "do your own research." This is absolutely not true.

 

[krichton]

Sorry, but that is a total lie.
The mRNA vaccines are over 10 times the number of fatal or serious side effects, compared to any real vaccine in history.
Real vaccines almost never cause problems, and it is a rare allergic reaction to eggs or something else, when they do.

It's only a lie to you because you believe in quack science and won't listen to anything else.

 

[Rigby5]

Nope, "do your own research." This is absolutely not true.

I have done ALL the required research, and it is you who have not.

Normal vaccines only contain dead viruses or other pathogens, so that part can do no harm at all.
The only times these normal vaccines can do any harm at all is if they use eggs or mercury, and the individual has an allergic reaction to these additives.

However, all mRNA injections cause the ribosomes in your own cells to be reprogrammed into growing harmful spike proteins.
This causes the immune system to attack and destroy any cells that have been contaminated by the mRNA.
And if those cells are in a delicate location, you die.

But since spike proteins can not possibly be used to identify any sort of attacking pathogen, there is no way the immune system can use that to create any sort of permanent immunity memory.
So these mRNA injections are pretty much useless.
They do temporarily stimulate some antibody production, but that prevents recovery immunity, so is harmful in the long run.

 

[Rigby5]

It's only a lie to you because you believe in quack science and won't listen to anything else.

I have only read the actual science, from sources like Lancet, NewEngland Medical Journal, MedPage Today, etc.
You just know absolutely nothing at all about mRNA.
Anyone who does know anything about mRNA, knows it is dangerous and useless.

 

[Smokin' OP]

We might as well get rid of all medicine since very nearly all have side effects on some level. I heard the wet towel on the forehead is making a comeback.

When it does, guaranteed, lawyers will be suing linen makers.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Wrong.
The mRNA injections do not help the immune system identify any pathogen at all, because they do not contain any pathogen.

No, shit.
mRNA uses antigens.

Activating the temporary production of antibodies is NOT immunity in any way.
There is no T-cell memory with these mRNA injections, so have NO similarity to any real vaccine.

YES, they do, T cells are included and are part of white cells, which are the primary defense of your immune system.

You also are ignorant about flu.
The flu vaccine last a life time.

WTF?
WOW.

The reason you need different flu shots every year is there are actually 100s of different illnesses we collectively call "flu", and each year we only guess at which one we might want a vaccine for.

You're so FOS.
You evidently, don't even know what the flu is.

All real vaccine teach your immune system how to build an immunity to a particular pathogen.
But these mRNA injections just promote a one time, temporary, debris collection production of antibodies.
They are worthless because they prevent real immunity from recovery.

WTF?
"Real immunity from recovery"?

And no, white blood cells are only one of many immune system components.

Really?

White blood cells are in the blood, which T-cells stay in the bone marrow, and are nothing like white blood cells.

Another, WTF?
A T cell is a type of lymphocyte. T cells are one of the important white blood cells of the immune system and play a central role in the adaptive immune response. T cells can be distinguished from other lymphocytes by the presence of a T-cell receptor (TCR) on their cell surface.

But there are lots of other immune system components, like cytokines, phages, antibodies, etc.

Cytokines are a broad and loose category of small proteins (~5–25 kDa[1]) important in cell signaling.
Cytokines are produced by a broad range of cells, including immune cells like macrophages, B lymphocytes, T lymphocytes and mast cells, as well as endothelial cells, fibroblasts, and various stromal cells; a given cytokine may be produced by more than one type of cell. They act through cell surface receptors and are especially important in the immune system.

Cytokines are very small, non-structural proteins that are secreted by various cells in the body, and they function to help regulate the inflammatory and immune responses. Many of the cells that secrete cytokines are white blood cells, such as lymphocytes and monocytes.

Antibodies are small proteins that circulate in the bloodstream. They are part of the body's defence (immune) system and are sometimes called immunoglobulins. They are made by a type of white blood cell (a B lymphocyte).

"LOTS of others"?
That just happens to be components of WHITE blood cells.

 

[eagle1462010]

No, shit.
mRNA uses antigens.

YES, they do, T cells are included and are part of white cells, which are the primary defense of your immune system.

WTF?
WOW.

You're so FOS.
You evidently, don't even know what the flu is.

WTF?
"Real immunity from recovery"?

Really?

Another, WTF?
A T cell is a type of lymphocyte. T cells are one of the important white blood cells of the immune system and play a central role in the adaptive immune response. T cells can be distinguished from other lymphocytes by the presence of a T-cell receptor (TCR) on their cell surface.

Cytokines are a broad and loose category of small proteins (~5–25 kDa[1]) important in cell signaling.
Cytokines are produced by a broad range of cells, including immune cells like macrophages, B lymphocytes, T lymphocytes and mast cells, as well as endothelial cells, fibroblasts, and various stromal cells; a given cytokine may be produced by more than one type of cell. They act through cell surface receptors and are especially important in the immune system.

Cytokines are very small, non-structural proteins that are secreted by various cells in the body, and they function to help regulate the inflammatory and immune responses. Many of the cells that secrete cytokines are white blood cells, such as lymphocytes and monocytes.

Antibodies are small proteins that circulate in the bloodstream. They are part of the body's defence (immune) system and are sometimes called immunoglobulins. They are made by a type of white blood cell (a B lymphocyte).

"LOTS of others"?
That just happens to be components of WHITE blood cells.

Wanes in a matter of months. Real vaccines remember a lifetime.

Whole lot of cut and paste you did for a BS govt LIe

 

[Smokin' OP]

Wanes in a matter of months. Real vaccines remember a lifetime.

Sure they do, moron.

Whole lot of cut and paste you did for a BS govt LIe

Beats your opinion, any day.

 

[eagle1462010]

Sure they do, moron.

Beats your opinion, any day.

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Why are you murdering Americans with your LIES?

 

[Rigby5]

No, shit.
mRNA uses antigens.

YES, they do, T cells are included and are part of white cells, which are the primary defense of your immune system.

WTF?
WOW.

You're so FOS.
You evidently, don't even know what the flu is.

WTF?
"Real immunity from recovery"?

Really?

Another, WTF?
A T cell is a type of lymphocyte. T cells are one of the important white blood cells of the immune system and play a central role in the adaptive immune response. T cells can be distinguished from other lymphocytes by the presence of a T-cell receptor (TCR) on their cell surface.

Cytokines are a broad and loose category of small proteins (~5–25 kDa[1]) important in cell signaling.
Cytokines are produced by a broad range of cells, including immune cells like macrophages, B lymphocytes, T lymphocytes and mast cells, as well as endothelial cells, fibroblasts, and various stromal cells; a given cytokine may be produced by more than one type of cell. They act through cell surface receptors and are especially important in the immune system.

Cytokines are very small, non-structural proteins that are secreted by various cells in the body, and they function to help regulate the inflammatory and immune responses. Many of the cells that secrete cytokines are white blood cells, such as lymphocytes and monocytes.

Antibodies are small proteins that circulate in the bloodstream. They are part of the body's defence (immune) system and are sometimes called immunoglobulins. They are made by a type of white blood cell (a B lymphocyte).

"LOTS of others"?
That just happens to be components of WHITE blood cells.

Ignorant.

T-cells are NOT white blood cells, but what produces white blood cells.

The mRNA injections contain no antibodies at all, but just reprogram our ribosomes to produce spike proteins.
Excess spike proteins are detected as debris, and that stimulates the lowest possible immune response, the release of antibodies into the blood.
Releasing antibodies into the blood can NOT at all end covid infections, since covid can not survive in the blood at all, and has nothing to do with the blood.

You are so wrong about the flu that you have to be an idiot. Flu is NOT one virus strain, but hundreds of different ones we just give the same name to.
The flu does not mutate each year.
We just try to predict which of the viruses we call flu will be around the next winter, and we usually guess wrong.

I have never run into anyone as ignorant about epidemiology and the immune system, as you.
It is ignorance like yours that has kept this epidemic going for over 2 years.
A rational person would have admitted your mistakes over 1.5 years ago.