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    People need jobs. If the private sector can't or won't produce enough jobs the federal government must.
    Yes, the federal deficit is enormous, but doing nothing and dancing the Henny Penny Polka ("Oh my, the sky is falling") is not leadership. Nor is it leadership to fall back on ideology, point fingers and blame the other guy.
    In 1973 (CETA) and 1982 (job training partnership act), both signed by Republican Presidents, put Americans back to work.
    Our nation has many needs, infrastructure is aging and needs maintainence, repair and replacement; government buildings in the sun belt might be retrofited with solar panels and non emergency government vehicles replaced with electric cars charged by the sun, wind power in the plains may provide a source of energy too.
    The electrical grid needs update and expansion, and where feasible canals might be buit to transport goods from one region to another; hospitals might be built on new medical school campuses so that capable students might earn medical degrees and pay off their education expenses by working in new health centers providing preventative care for all Americans.
    What America lacks today is imagination, I supported Obama in 2008 because he expressed a future bright with possibilities. Sadly, the power elite worried that the entitlements they have benefited from since the 'Reagan Revolution' were at risk - change scared the shit out of them.
    So every effort to move America forward has been met with "No"; and now polls show the propaganda seems to have worked and our nation may turn to the Republican Party - the party which promises much but can't seem to deliver but to the few and the connected.
     
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    Above, I expressed an idea. Twelve at least looked at the post, yet no one responded. Are there no alernative ideas?
     
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    Send me some seed money my son and god will repay you with bountiful job opportunities.
     
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    I think it's a terrific starting point, Wry Catcher. But I'd ruther not inflate the government payroll. How's about we sponsor jobs for private employees? Mebbe a zero interest loan for expansion by any business smaller than 500 people provided they add at least 10% more jobs?

    I'd a whole lot ruther create jobs that may pay off with long term employment, and that're still driven by rational private sector decisions.
     
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    As for why people would look, and move on, like I did, your post is like the grand canyon of economic ignorance. There is no way to begin to fill it up, so all one can do is stop and admire at the depth and breadth of it.

    Work is useful things that people are willing to pay for. It is not a magical commodity that the government can just conjure up like a genie granting wishes from the lamp.

    the government only can get money that it spends by taking it from others. Which means that money government uses to create jobs comes from money taken from others to do things which they consider productive. Government jobs eat more jobs than they make, as people have to give up productive labor to labor that has no private value.
     
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    War?
     
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    War creates needs by destroying useful stuff. After a war is over, private useful needs are created.


    Mass murder is not really the solution to unemployment in my book.
     
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    Ah, a "No" and an "Ideology". 'Thinking' as you do solves no problems and to suggest my offer of a solution (used successfully in other bad times) manifests economic ignorance adds arrogance to an otherwise insipid response.
    People with skills who are out of work, don't spend money (they don't have any). They can't pay mortgages, so they don't. They can't provide for their basic needs or the needs of their kids, so they rely on government and their credit cards (for a while). Even an ideologue such as yourself must understand jobs must come first.
    But, banks won't lend, and business is afraid to expand - and the unemployed cannot afford the goods or services of business.
    For example, the hospitality industry suffers, for eating out and travel are luxuries many cannot afford. So business and industry terminate employees - people willing to work but unable to find work. They are not bums or welfare cheats but victims. So I say put them to work.
    By doing so, in government jobs and in the private sector jobs (if you know anything about the two progams referenced you would see they're all not 'government jobs') where they can abe productive and self sufficient.
    The dollars spent to implement such a program come back as sources of income for he baker and barber, bartender and barista; and taxes which support local government services like cops and firefighters.
    You and the just say cut taxes crowd have been brainwashed, though sometimes I wonder if their was ever a brain to wash.
     
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    Nice logic, but first.

    The Fed has done little to stimulate any private sector jobs, and while a government job is better than nothing for the person getting it. It is not good for our economy that all we are producing is government jobs.

    Government jobs do not create a product, and have to be paid for by tax dollars, which further takes away from the private sectors ability to create jobs.

    Not that I expect a lib to get that.
     
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    Hi Catcher:

    No sir. The Federal Government takes in taxes from a 'growing' private sector and uses money from the private sector to produce Government Jobs. However, the Govt itself is destroying the American Consumer Base and is destroying the American Tax Base by:

    1. NAFTA Offshoring of the U.S. Manufacturing Base.
    2. Outsourcing Service Sectors Jobs overseas.
    3. Allowing Walmart-type Conglomerates to import cheap goods from China that put local Mom and Pop Businesses out of business.
    4. 23 Guest Worker Programs that 'displace' U.S. Workers from Jobs here at home (1.5 Million Jobs lost every year).
    5. 20 to 30 Illegal Alien Foreign Nationals are allowed to run around loose EVERYWHERE stealing identities and Jobs from American Workers.

    The American Middle Class is being systematically destroyed, which means fewer American Workers to support the Federal, State and Local Tax Bases, which leads to the layoff of Govt Workers that 'displace' even more private sector workers. There will be NO Recovery in the USA, until 'ALL' of these Worker Displacement Factors are eliminated from the economy. That is NEVER going to happen, because our elected politicians are CORRUPT to the core ...

    GL,

    Terral
     
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