Jews trying to get Americans killed - as usual

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You're mixing up the rights.

But the people in non self governing territories do have specific inalienable rights.

You are incorrect.

(COMMENT)

You were previously talking about the Mandatory not having sovereign territorial rights, and I indicated that neither did the Arab Palestinian.

Everyone on the planet has inalienable rights, including the Jewish People. It is not unique to the Arab Palestinian; they are not special. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and embodied in the International Covenants on Human Rights, is just as much a part of the rights the Jewish People have as the Arab. Bearing in mind that nothing in this United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples may be used to deny any peoples their right to self-determination, exercised in conformity with international law.

But in having the rights, the Arab League cannot amass an Army of an external nature, and attempt to take by force that which could not be achieved through diplomacy, or peaceful means. The Palestinians have never been conferred some special authorization to use force.

Most Respectfully,
R

OH YEAH!?
Bu-bu-bu-bull...

Huh?

 

[Indeependent]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You're mixing up the rights.


(COMMENT)

You were previously talking about the Mandatory not having sovereign territorial rights, and I indicated that neither did the Arab Palestinian.

Everyone on the planet has inalienable rights, including the Jewish People. It is not unique to the Arab Palestinian; they are not special. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and embodied in the International Covenants on Human Rights, is just as much a part of the rights the Jewish People have as the Arab. Bearing in mind that nothing in this United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples may be used to deny any peoples their right to self-determination, exercised in conformity with international law.

But in having the rights, the Arab League cannot amass an Army of an external nature, and attempt to take by force that which could not be achieved through diplomacy, or peaceful means. The Palestinians have never been conferred some special authorization to use force.

Most Respectfully,
R

OH YEAH!?
Bu-bu-bu-bull...

Huh?

I was attempting to mock Monte.

 

[toastman]

OH YEAH!?
Bu-bu-bu-bull...

Huh?

I was attempting to mock Monte.

Oh hahahaha.

Makes sense now.

 

[montelatici]

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine were not trying to take anything. They were resisting being dispossessed by European settlers which would result in the consequential loss of their civil rights, which had been guaranteed by the terms of the Mandate. The Arab states were assisting the the Christians and Muslims. The actions of the settler military, Irgun, Haghana etc., which included the destruction of Christian and Muslim villages (both inside and outside the Jeiwsh part of the partition) and expulsion of as many non-Jews as possible is outlined in Plan Dalet. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing. Obviously, they were not successful, however, to continue trumpeting propaganda, that has been discredited, that implies that the Palestinians or the Arab states were the aggressors, is ludicrous.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, that is an assessment. To some degree, it has validity.


(COMMENT)

Yes, I agree. If by ownership you mean sovereign control then --- I have to agree. But then, the Arab did not have sovereign rights to the territory either. Territorial control went to the Allied Powers and League of Nations, and not the indigenous population of the undefined sub-regions in from the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia.

It is rather naive, in my opinion, to suggest that all the ills that befell the region we call Palestine, were the fault of the Mandatory (UK). The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor.

The number of complaints the Palestinian writes per month is just pathetic and childlike in mentality. And the sheer numbers would level a small forest just to print.

If the Palestinian want to be a prosperous nation, then they have to change their way of life; focusing on that which promotes peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

"The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor. "

The Christians and Muslims were resisting a European colonization project, like any people in the process of being colonized would do. What would you have had them do, welcome settlers bent on taking their land and displacing them? Do you ever think about the bullshit and propaganda you post.

What did you expect Israel to do, allow the Palestinians to launch terror campaigns against them without fighting back?
And your colonization claim is a massive lie. The Palestinians had several opportunities so have an independent state, but kept rejecting them because they thought they could defeat Israel and have all of the land.
Now that they realize that they cannot defeat Israel, they are trying for a two state solution.
Too little too late.

The Europeans did what European colonial settlers always do. Europeans initially, with superior arms, technology and organization, overcome the indigenous people. If they are able to destroy the local culture and are successful in in destroying most of the indigenous population, the result is Australia, Chile, Argentina the U.S., Mexico etc. If not, the result is Algeria, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.

I see Israel more in the latter category given that they have not destroyed the Christian and Muslim culture, have not destroyed the non-Jewish population. And, they will not be allowed to do so, no matter what you think.

So, if the Israelis had been smart, they would have agreed to a sovereign Palestinian state and would not have expanded Israel to the point that a two-state solution is no longer possible. Only a democratic secular state is possible, or an Apartheid state is possible. And, Apartheid states don't last long after the world begins to place sanctions on them.

 

[toastman]

"The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor. "

The Christians and Muslims were resisting a European colonization project, like any people in the process of being colonized would do. What would you have had them do, welcome settlers bent on taking their land and displacing them? Do you ever think about the bullshit and propaganda you post.

What did you expect Israel to do, allow the Palestinians to launch terror campaigns against them without fighting back?
And your colonization claim is a massive lie. The Palestinians had several opportunities so have an independent state, but kept rejecting them because they thought they could defeat Israel and have all of the land.
Now that they realize that they cannot defeat Israel, they are trying for a two state solution.
Too little too late.

The Europeans did what European colonial settlers always do. Europeans initially, with superior arms, technology and organization, overcome the indigenous people. If they are able to destroy the local culture and are successful in in destroying most of the indigenous population, the result is Australia, Chile, Argentina the U.S., Mexico etc. If not, the result is Algeria, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.

I see Israel more in the latter category given that they have not destroyed the Christian and Muslim culture, have not destroyed the non-Jewish population. And, they will not be allowed to do so, no matter what you think.

So, if the Israelis had been smart, they would have agreed to a sovereign Palestinian state and would not have expanded Israel to the point that a two-state solution is no longer possible. Only a democratic secular state is possible, or an Apartheid state is possible. And, Apartheid states don't last long after the world begins to place sanctions on them.

If Arafat gave a shit about his people, he would have accepted the offer given to him.
The Palestinians could have had a state ten time over.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, that is an assessment. To some degree, it has validity.


(COMMENT)

Yes, I agree. If by ownership you mean sovereign control then --- I have to agree. But then, the Arab did not have sovereign rights to the territory either. Territorial control went to the Allied Powers and League of Nations, and not the indigenous population of the undefined sub-regions in from the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia.

It is rather naive, in my opinion, to suggest that all the ills that befell the region we call Palestine, were the fault of the Mandatory (UK). The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor.

The number of complaints the Palestinian writes per month is just pathetic and childlike in mentality. And the sheer numbers would level a small forest just to print.

If the Palestinian want to be a prosperous nation, then they have to change their way of life; focusing on that which promotes peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

"The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor. "

The Christians and Muslims were resisting a European colonization project, like any people in the process of being colonized would do. What would you have had them do, welcome settlers bent on taking their land and displacing them? Do you ever think about the bullshit and propaganda you post.

Rocco posting propaganda?? Now I know you're full of shit.
Rocco is the last poster here who would resort to propaganda, unlike the PaliNazis who thrive on propaganda.

Everything Rocco just said is 100% correct. If you can't handle the truth, then you shouldn't be posting here.

He is the best propagandist posting here. For example, he fails to acknowledge that the idea of settling Europeans in Palestine was a British idea and the settling of Europeans was the cause of the conflict. European settlers in all continents where they settled have caused conflict with the local populations, why would they have thought that it would be any different in Palestine?

In some cases the Europeans have been able to destroy the local culture and eliminate a great part or all of the indigenous population, so the conflicts have ended. In other cases they have not been able to do so and the conflict has continued. That is the case in Palestine.

 

[Roudy]

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine were not trying to take anything. They were resisting being dispossessed by European settlers which would result in the consequential loss of their civil rights, which had been guaranteed by the terms of the Mandate. The Arab states were assisting the the Christians and Muslims. The actions of the settler military, Irgun, Haghana etc., which included the destruction of Christian and Muslim villages (both inside and outside the Jeiwsh part of the partition) and expulsion of as many non-Jews as possible is outlined in Plan Dalet. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing. Obviously, they were not successful, however, to continue trumpeting propaganda, that has been discredited, that implies that the Palestinians or the Arab states were the aggressors, is ludicrous.

You mean the Arab / Muslim invaders were trying to hold on to land they had invaded and stolen. What a goofball! Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

"The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor. "

The Christians and Muslims were resisting a European colonization project, like any people in the process of being colonized would do. What would you have had them do, welcome settlers bent on taking their land and displacing them? Do you ever think about the bullshit and propaganda you post.

Rocco posting propaganda?? Now I know you're full of shit.
Rocco is the last poster here who would resort to propaganda, unlike the PaliNazis who thrive on propaganda.

Everything Rocco just said is 100% correct. If you can't handle the truth, then you shouldn't be posting here.

He is the best propagandist posting here. For example, he fails to acknowledge that the idea of settling Europeans in Palestine was a British idea and the settling of Europeans was the cause of the conflict. European settlers in all continents where they settled have caused conflict with the local populations, why would they have thought that it would be any different in Palestine?

In some cases the Europeans have been able to destroy the local culture and eliminate a great part or all of the indigenous population, so the conflicts have ended. In other cases they have not been able to do so and the conflict has continued. That is the case in Palestine.

However in most cases it was the Arabs who ravaged and invaded lands and dispossessed people and forced their barbaric culture and religion upon them. And now their descendants decided to create this new identity called "Palestinian", which applied to Jews only until the Arabs decided to hijack that identity in the 1960's.

It's really hilarious how this troll false IslamoNazi propogandist and convert to Islam MOHOMOD Latici accuses Rocco, probably the most objective person on this board, as a propagandist.

 

[Kondor3]

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine were not trying to take anything. They were resisting being dispossessed by European settlers which would result in the consequential loss of their civil rights, which had been guaranteed by the terms of the Mandate. The Arab states were assisting the the Christians and Muslims. The actions of the settler military, Irgun, Haghana etc., which included the destruction of Christian and Muslim villages (both inside and outside the Jeiwsh part of the partition) and expulsion of as many non-Jews as possible is outlined in Plan Dalet. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing. Obviously, they were not successful, however, to continue trumpeting propaganda, that has been discredited, that implies that the Palestinians or the Arab states were the aggressors, is ludicrous.

You mean the Arab / Muslim invaders were trying to hold on to land they had invaded and stolen. What a goofball! Ha ha ha.

Have you noticed Monty's persistence in insisting that Christians and Muslims are in the same boat... a roundabout way of attempting to Divide and Conquer... to get some larger percentage of Christians to take side with the Muslims?

My guess is, 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings pretty much squelched any chance of that ever materializing in our lifetimes, to any appreciable and decisive extent...

Attempt at 'Divide and Conquer' noted... and rejected.

 

[Roudy]

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine were not trying to take anything. They were resisting being dispossessed by European settlers which would result in the consequential loss of their civil rights, which had been guaranteed by the terms of the Mandate. The Arab states were assisting the the Christians and Muslims. The actions of the settler military, Irgun, Haghana etc., which included the destruction of Christian and Muslim villages (both inside and outside the Jeiwsh part of the partition) and expulsion of as many non-Jews as possible is outlined in Plan Dalet. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing. Obviously, they were not successful, however, to continue trumpeting propaganda, that has been discredited, that implies that the Palestinians or the Arab states were the aggressors, is ludicrous.

You mean the Arab / Muslim invaders were trying to hold on to land they had invaded and stolen. What a goofball! Ha ha ha.

Have you noticed Monty's persistence in insisting that Christians and Muslims are in the same boat... a roundabout way of attempting to Divide and Conquer... to get some larger percentage of Christians to take side with the Muslims?

My guess is, 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings pretty much squelched any chance of that ever materializing in our lifetimes, to any appreciable and decisive extent...

Attempt at 'Divide and Conquer' noted... and rejected.

Yeah ain't it funny. According to MOHOMOD Latici, it's Muslims AND Christians that are fighting the evil Jooooos. Just refresh my memory was it the evil Joooos that kidnapped a school filled with 300 Christian girls in Nigeria for the crime of being Christian and wanting an education, or was it Muslim animals. I heard they forcibly converted them to Islam and already sold some of them as slaves, because that what Islam allows Mooooslems to do. Just wondering.....

 

[toastman]

"The Arab Palestinian made little or no effort in the development of the territory. The general population was focused almost entirely on conflict as a means of resolution; pouring the vast majority of their resources into that endeavor. "

The Christians and Muslims were resisting a European colonization project, like any people in the process of being colonized would do. What would you have had them do, welcome settlers bent on taking their land and displacing them? Do you ever think about the bullshit and propaganda you post.

Rocco posting propaganda?? Now I know you're full of shit.
Rocco is the last poster here who would resort to propaganda, unlike the PaliNazis who thrive on propaganda.

Everything Rocco just said is 100% correct. If you can't handle the truth, then you shouldn't be posting here.

He is the best propagandist posting here. For example, he fails to acknowledge that the idea of settling Europeans in Palestine was a British idea and the settling of Europeans was the cause of the conflict. European settlers in all continents where they settled have caused conflict with the local populations, why would they have thought that it would be any different in Palestine?

In some cases the Europeans have been able to destroy the local culture and eliminate a great part or all of the indigenous population, so the conflicts have ended. In other cases they have not been able to do so and the conflict has continued. That is the case in Palestine.

You don't even know what propaganda is. You accuse ANYONE who doesn't agree with you to be a propagandist, and now you have the nerve to accuse Rocco of being one?
You're pathetic and you're a liar.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine were not trying to take anything. They were resisting being dispossessed by European settlers which would result in the consequential loss of their civil rights, which had been guaranteed by the terms of the Mandate. The Arab states were assisting the the Christians and Muslims. The actions of the settler military, Irgun, Haghana etc., which included the destruction of Christian and Muslim villages (both inside and outside the Jeiwsh part of the partition) and expulsion of as many non-Jews as possible is outlined in Plan Dalet. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing. Obviously, they were not successful, however, to continue trumpeting propaganda, that has been discredited, that implies that the Palestinians or the Arab states were the aggressors, is ludicrous.

You mean the Arab / Muslim invaders were trying to hold on to land they had invaded and stolen. What a goofball! Ha ha ha.

Have you noticed Monty's persistence in insisting that Christians and Muslims are in the same boat... a roundabout way of attempting to Divide and Conquer... to get some larger percentage of Christians to take side with the Muslims?

My guess is, 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings pretty much squelched any chance of that ever materializing in our lifetimes, to any appreciable and decisive extent...

Attempt at 'Divide and Conquer' noted... and rejected.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHzuYcuIQY]Christians in Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kondor3]

You mean the Arab / Muslim invaders were trying to hold on to land they had invaded and stolen. What a goofball! Ha ha ha.

Have you noticed Monty's persistence in insisting that Christians and Muslims are in the same boat... a roundabout way of attempting to Divide and Conquer... to get some larger percentage of Christians to take side with the Muslims?

My guess is, 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings pretty much squelched any chance of that ever materializing in our lifetimes, to any appreciable and decisive extent...

Attempt at 'Divide and Conquer' noted... and rejected.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHzuYcuIQY]Christians in Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

Life is, indeed, difficult for Christians who sided with the Muslims rather than the Jews.

But the Jews of Israel are far more tolerant of Christianity within their borders than the Muslims in several neighboring countries, including Egypt.

The Jews are in the process of carving-out a Jewish State.

That means a State designed for Jews.

Insofar as I have been able to discern, the Jews of Israel have always been agreeable to minority percentages of their population being either Muslim or Christian in confession.

But let's get real here.

Christians represent 8% of the West Bank population.

Christians represent .07% (7/10 of 1%) of the Gaza population.

It's a flea... a pimple... hardly worth noticing.

In any future Expulsion from either the West Bank or Gaza...

We'll almost certainly see large numbers of Muslims evicted and expelled...

I seriously doubt that the Christians will receive the same official treatment...

They're a different and better class of potential citizen.

 

[Roudy]

Yup, nice piece of false propaganda. Christians around the world should be worried about Jooooos and not Muslims, right?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yup, nice piece of false propaganda. Christians around the world should be worried about Jooooos and not Muslims, right?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gjD36JydSE]Palestinian Christians - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kondor3]

Anybody got any file-footage of Egyptian Muslims giving Egyptian Coptic Christians a hard time?

Oh... wait... that's right... YouTube and the Internet are choked with such examples.

And that's just ONE Muslim country.

Next slide, please.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Anybody got any file-footage of Egyptian Muslims giving Egyptian Coptic Christians a hard time?

Oh... wait... that's right... YouTube and the Internet are choked with such examples.

And that's just ONE Muslim country.

Next slide, please.

And it is not Palestine.

 

[Roudy]

Yup, nice piece of false propaganda. Christians around the world should be worried about Jooooos and not Muslims, right?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gjD36JydSE]Palestinian Christians - YouTube[/ame]

Yup, it's just such a nice safe haven for Christians to be among these Islamist animals. I mean what Christian in his right mind would chose to be among Joooos rather than these angels?! Tinmore, how about we buy you a one-way ticket to Hamas Gaza shithole? Ha ha ha!

Hamas Imposes Radical New Law: Lashings, Amputations, and Massive Executions

March 28 2014

Hamas is now trying to outdo the Taliban in imposing new Shar'ia inspired draconian punishments, including amputations of limbs and massive increases in lashings and executions. A senior Hamas official told Gulf News that a new punitive law, "inspired by" Shar'ia Law, is required to replace the former and "impractical" one. The article states that there will be a minimum of 20 lashes for minor offenses and a minimum of 80 lashes for criminal cases: the death penalty will also be expanded in accordance with the Shar'ia. In addition, the new law includes cutting off the hands of a thief.

CHRISTIANS WARNED: ACCEPT ISLAMIC LAW

Christians can continue living safely in the Gaza Strip only if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, according to an Islamist leader in Gaza. The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in “missionary activity” will be “dealt with harshly.”

The threats come two days after a church and Christian school in Gaza was attacked following the seizure of power in the territory by the Hamas terror group.

“I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza,” said Sheik Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, an Islamic outreach movement that recently announced the opening of a “military wing” to enforce Muslim law in Gaza. About 2,000 Christians live in the Gaza Strip, which has a population of over 1 million.

Abu Saqer said Hamas “must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people.” His comments come after gunmen Sunday attacked Gaza’s Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers. The attack was the first targeting of Christian institutions since Hamas last week staged a coup against the rival Fatah party of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, seizing all Fatah positions and security compounds, essentially taking complete control of the Gaza Strip.

 

[Auldhippy]

Israel oppresses Christians & muslims equally if Palestinian.