Jesus believed in sharing the wealth.

[there4eyeM]

"It has been shown over and over that conservatives are more generous then liberals."

Being neither a 'liberal' nor a 'conservative' perhaps I am 'out of the loop', but I have not noted this difference. Are there statistics, or are you assuming that if one is generous, one is 'conservative'? This seems a contradiction, a 'conservative' being 'liberal' with money.

 

[Mr.Nick]

"Using Jesus to defend Socialism and Communism is vile"

Talk about off topic and straw man! The OP addressed those who include themselves in the group of 'conservatives' and claim to be Christian. The debate is whether Jesus said what he said or not. It certainly is not that the OP encouraged a collective society.

But, after all, why would it be vile?

Oh shut the fuck up...

You can pretty much sum up the OP like this:

"Jesus was a socialist and anyone who doesn't believe it is not a true Christian."

Since you are not a Christian, why are you so upset?
The post of mine you cite is not offensive or accusatory. I don't understand your vehemence.

Oh I'm a Christian and I go to church......

 

[there4eyeM]

You can understand why I thought otherwise. In church, do you speak to Jesus? Do you use the same kind of language? Do you think that is consistent with his teachings?

 

[grunt11b]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

I believe Obama is following the example of Jesus when he said feed the poor, Gleaning in he NT and Tithes. Every society in the human world believe in sharing the wealth. Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor....He fed a multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fish and told them to give the surplus to the poor. He said pay your taxes. If that is not sharing the wealth, what is?
Plus GOD provided manna for the Jews in the wilderness. The Egyptians shared their store house of grain doing 7 lean year famine. The Christian bible teaches sharing the wealth.
As soon as Obama took office, sharing the wealth was communist and socialist and an evil thing as stealing and thief from those that have.
Mormon’s Bishop’s Storehouse it the largest example of sharing the wealth. After the U.S. Government.

PS.
Anytime the Government forces me to have a child that I cannot afford, they damn well be willing to take care of it.

Ever notice liberals have no problem whatsoever about invoking Christianity and Jesus when it fits their agenda, but when someone else does it it is a mortal sin and must be silenced?
You are one pathetic human being, and I hope in the end Jesus himself lets you know that. Also, Jesus also would want people to provide for themselves and not burden thy neighbor.
Dipshit.

 

[there4eyeM]

The original post certainly did bring out a lot of hypocrisy.

 

[there4eyeM]

Jesus would have Patton-slapped many Progs in this thread

No, we were talking about the Jesus of the Bible, not your neighbor.

 

[kaz]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH

Can you show the bible passage that he advocated doing that through government?

 

[there4eyeM]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH

Can you show the bible passage that he advocated doing that through government?

Well, you have to admit there is nothing he said that would contradict doing it through government.
Now, don't jump to conclusions about what my position is, 'just sayin''

 

[Mr.Nick]

You can understand why I thought otherwise. In church, do you speak to Jesus? Do you use the same kind of language? Do you think that is consistent with his teachings?

A word is a word..... English wasn't even a language when Jesus lived...

Cussing isn't a sin..

For all I know Jesus cussed a lot in Aramaic...

Besides, I love how the progressives act like anyone who doesn't agree with their position isn't "christian."

 

[kaz]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH

Can you show the bible passage that he advocated doing that through government?

Well, you have to admit there is nothing he said that would contradict doing it through government

Of course there is. Everything that Jesus advocated was personal accountability. To pass off to government your responsibility and then having that responsibility funded with other people's money is clearly not what he advocated. The even greater ridiculous implication of the Op is that ONLY government money counts as charity.

But here's one passage, give to Caesar what's Caesar and God what's God's. Charity fits under God, not Caesar again when you go back to the personal accountability. Caesars, including our great leader, spend most of the money on their own interest.

For that reason, I also look into charities that I give to so I can ensure the money is well spent. Giving money to a name which I don't bother to look at their effectiveness is still more guilt money then charity. But giving it to an organization, government, which is clearly unconcerned with truly helping people isn't even guilt money, it's not even really charity.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Can you show the bible passage that he advocated doing that through government?

Well, you have to admit there is nothing he said that would contradict doing it through government

Of course there is. Everything that Jesus advocated was personal accountability. To pass off to government your responsibility and then having that responsibility funded with other people's money is clearly not what he advocated. The even greater ridiculous implication of the Op is that ONLY government money counts as charity.

But here's one passage, give to Caesar what's Caesar and God what's God's. Charity fits under God, not Caesar again when you go back to the personal accountability. Caesars, including our great leader, spend most of the money on their own interest.

For that reason, I also look into charities that I give to so I can ensure the money is well spent. Giving money to a name which I don't bother to look at their effectiveness is still more guilt money then charity. But giving it to an organization, government, which is clearly unconcerned with truly helping people isn't even guilt money, it's not even really charity.

Lets not forget about stealing...

Taking from one by force and giving to another is stealing... That is exactly what taxes and redistributing are...

 

[there4eyeM]

Not to belabor a point unnecessarily, it is hardly prohibited that the government engage in wealth distribution. That doesn't mean I'm for it.
The OP did stimulate discussion and perhaps caused some people to confront the reality of what they say and what they say they believe.

 

[Foxfyre]

Can you show the bible passage that he advocated doing that through government?

Well, you have to admit there is nothing he said that would contradict doing it through government

Of course there is. Everything that Jesus advocated was personal accountability. To pass off to government your responsibility and then having that responsibility funded with other people's money is clearly not what he advocated. The even greater ridiculous implication of the Op is that ONLY government money counts as charity.

But here's one passage, give to Caesar what's Caesar and God what's God's. Charity fits under God, not Caesar again when you go back to the personal accountability. Caesars, including our great leader, spend most of the money on their own interest.

For that reason, I also look into charities that I give to so I can ensure the money is well spent. Giving money to a name which I don't bother to look at their effectiveness is still more guilt money then charity. But giving it to an organization, government, which is clearly unconcerned with truly helping people isn't even guilt money, it's not even really charity.

I wonder how our Progressive friends would interpret this parable of Jesus?

13 “Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey.

16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it.

19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:13-30). 271

 

[Erand7899]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

I believe Obama is following the example of Jesus when he said feed the poor, Gleaning in he NT and Tithes. Every society in the human world believe in sharing the wealth. Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor....He fed a multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fish and told them to give the surplus to the poor. He said pay your taxes. If that is not sharing the wealth, what is?
Plus GOD provided manna for the Jews in the wilderness. The Egyptians shared their store house of grain doing 7 lean year famine. The Christian bible teaches sharing the wealth.
As soon as Obama took office, sharing the wealth was communist and socialist and an evil thing as stealing and thief from those that have.
Mormon’s Bishop’s Storehouse it the largest example of sharing the wealth. After the U.S. Government.

PS.
Anytime the Government forces me to have a child that I cannot afford, they damn well be willing to take care of it.

James Madison saw the dangers in taxation: “A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.”
Property: James Madison, Property

hey...you know what? If proper wages and benefits were paid....we wouldn't need to tax as heavy. I'm not talking about taxation. That's the whole problem with you guys. you want your cake and eat it too. you want low taxes AND shit wages/benefits. You can't have both. You want people to take "personal responsibility"? Give them the tools to do so.

What I know is that you get out of this world exactly what you are willing to put into it. You don't want shit wages/benefits, learn a friggin skill that pays better wages/benefits.

Labor is a market product, just like bread and automobiles. You don't pay more than you have to to get the bread or automobile that you want, and you should not expect anyone else to pay more than they have to to get the labor they want and/or need.

You left wing loons talk the good talk about wages and benefits, but you will shop at the market that gives you the best product for the price, not the one that pays the best wages or benefits.

 

[Erand7899]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH

Can you show the bible passage that he advocated doing that through government?

Well, you have to admit there is nothing he said that would contradict doing it through government.
Now, don't jump to conclusions about what my position is, 'just sayin''

Can you find a Bible passage where Jesus condemned, or even chided, the Roman government, or any other government, for not taking care of the poor?

The vast majority of those who want charity provided by government, are not willing to support charity with their own money, yet they want their consciences salved for their own greed.

Bread cast upon the waters will come back manyfold. I practice that and it has worked well for me. Try it, you might like it.

 

[Againsheila]

Jesus is only showing what a real chrisitan and a true follower of God should be like, we can see there are no real christians here.

Absolutely true! Who here says she/he is a Christian?

I'm a Christian.

 

[Againsheila]

Well, you have to admit there is nothing he said that would contradict doing it through government

Of course there is. Everything that Jesus advocated was personal accountability. To pass off to government your responsibility and then having that responsibility funded with other people's money is clearly not what he advocated. The even greater ridiculous implication of the Op is that ONLY government money counts as charity.

But here's one passage, give to Caesar what's Caesar and God what's God's. Charity fits under God, not Caesar again when you go back to the personal accountability. Caesars, including our great leader, spend most of the money on their own interest.

For that reason, I also look into charities that I give to so I can ensure the money is well spent. Giving money to a name which I don't bother to look at their effectiveness is still more guilt money then charity. But giving it to an organization, government, which is clearly unconcerned with truly helping people isn't even guilt money, it's not even really charity.

I wonder how our Progressive friends would interpret this parable of Jesus?

13 “Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey.

16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it.

19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:13-30). 271

I never really understood that one, I was stuck on "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus would have Patton-slapped many Progs in this thread

No, we were talking about the Jesus of the Bible, not your neighbor.

No, Jesus of the Bible. He wasn't a Liberal pussy, he would have smacked some sense into a few of you

 

[there4eyeM]

Jesus would have Patton-slapped many Progs in this thread

No, we were talking about the Jesus of the Bible, not your neighbor.

No, Jesus of the Bible. He wasn't a Liberal pussy, he would have smacked some sense into a few of you

By addressing my post yet utilizing the plural, you must think I am schizophrenic. I have never been diagnosed as such. Since I am not a 'liberal', your assumption is incorrect.

Jesus was very liberal with love, compassion, understanding and wisdom. He dispensed these wherever he went unselfishly and told his disciples to give to the poor. He praised giving the little one had in the widow's mite over what the rich gave.
He chastised liberally the money changers in the temple, where they did not belong.
He did not say changing money was wrong.
He said the love of money was the root of all evil, not that money itself was.
There was no economic doctrine in his preaching. There was much philosophy and psychology.
Love and light are what he spread.
What is your doctrine spreading?

 

[PoliticalChic]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

I believe Obama is following the example of Jesus when he said feed the poor, Gleaning in he NT and Tithes. Every society in the human world believe in sharing the wealth. Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor....He fed a multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fish and told them to give the surplus to the poor. He said pay your taxes. If that is not sharing the wealth, what is?
Plus GOD provided manna for the Jews in the wilderness. The Egyptians shared their store house of grain doing 7 lean year famine. The Christian bible teaches sharing the wealth.
As soon as Obama took office, sharing the wealth was communist and socialist and an evil thing as stealing and thief from those that have.
Mormon’s Bishop’s Storehouse it the largest example of sharing the wealth. After the U.S. Government.

PS.
Anytime the Government forces me to have a child that I cannot afford, they damn well be willing to take care of it.

James Madison saw the dangers in taxation: “A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.”
Property: James Madison, Property

hey...you know what? If proper wages and benefits were paid....we wouldn't need to tax as heavy. I'm not talking about taxation. That's the whole problem with you guys. you want your cake and eat it too. you want low taxes AND shit wages/benefits. You can't have both. You want people to take "personal responsibility"? Give them the tools to do so.

1. In a free market, incomes and wealth are obtained through the sum of innumerable voluntary exchanges. As Robert Nozick calls it, “capitalist acts between consenting adults.”

a. Nozick’s example: “Now suppose that Wilt Chamberlain is greatly in demand by basketball teams, being a great gate attraction…He signs the following sort of contract with a team: In each home game, twenty-five cents from the price of each ticket of admission goes to him…The season starts, and people cheerfully attend his team’s games; they buy their tickets, each time dropping a separate twenty-five cents of their admission price into a special box with Chamberlain’s name on it. They are excited about seeing him play; it is worth the total admission price to them.

Let us suppose that in one season one million persons attend his home games, and Wilt Chamberlain winds up with $250,000, a much larger sum than the average income and larger even than anyone else has. Is he entitled to this income? Is this new distribution unjust?”


b. So, then, what should a government do as far as mandating ‘fairness”?
“The exercise of state power is not the action of a separate entity with moral rights greater than those of individual persons, rights to use force against persons for reasons that would not justify the use of force by individuals or groups of individuals per se…individual rights and duties are the basis of what governments may and should do.” Thomas Nagel, “Other Minds: Critical Essays, 1969-1994,” p. 141.


Who decided on your way of earning a living?
Who insisted that you take, and keep your current job?
Who forbid you from leaving your job and location to seek other, better employment?
How did you decide that you were worth more than you currently get?
Who is preventing you from opening your own business?
Why are you unable to understand this: 'It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.'
These are rhetorical...you need not answer.