Japanese protest rapes, demand remove of US military

[emilynghiem]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/asia/japan-okinawa-protest-united-states-military.html

Because of repeated cases of rape or rape charges against US military personnel,
Japanese are protesting and demanding removal.

Should the Japanese have a say in screening and approving US troops through their own military
to make sure these troops are safe and not criminal?

The Third Amendment against quartering of troops only applies to US citizens,
but what about the concept. What if the Japanese had representation through
its own military and could agree on a policy for screening and staging US troops if this is affecting their population. Wouldn't the US want screening of foreign people serving as part of our national security?

Would that solve the problem? If both countries did the screening to weed out criminally unsafe people?

 

[Andylusion]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/asia/japan-okinawa-protest-united-states-military.html

Because of repeated cases of rape or rape charges against US military personnel,
Japanese are protesting and demanding removal.

Should the Japanese have a say in screening and approving US troops through their own military
to make sure these troops are safe and not criminal?

The Third Amendment against quartering of troops only applies to US citizens,
but what about the concept. What if the Japanese had representation through
its own military and could agree on a policy for screening and staging US troops if this is affecting their population. Wouldn't the US want screening of foreign people serving as part of our national security?

Would that solve the problem? If both countries did the screening to weed out criminally unsafe people?

Actually I have a different answer.

I think the military should promote marriage, and have wives live with their husbands on these extended deployments.

In the long term, hopefully, Japan is making moves to improve their own protection. I would hope that eventually we, and they, will not need any troops stationed there anymore.

Of course the trade off is that tensions are rising with China. The world is a messy messy place.

 

[The Great Goose]

If a Jap girl lays with a non jap man, she has no choice but to claim rape. It's either that, or lose everything.

We never de-nazied them.

 

[emilynghiem]

If a Jap girl lays with a non jap man, she has no choice but to claim rape. It's either that, or lose everything.

We never de-nazied them.

Well, then we need equal laws that hold wrongdoers responsible for false charges.
This is important for rape victims also, to police against false alarms that hurt credibility of real cases.

What some college campuses have resorted to are Consent Forms that all enrollees/students
are required to sign in order to document that intimate relations are consensual.
If people have this in writing, that reduces false claims and fraud.
People can still manipulate contracts, as this happens all the time with family/estate/probate laws over wills that are contested,
but at least written wills and directives offer more protection to have legal documentation.

 

[Andylusion]

If a Jap girl lays with a non jap man, she has no choice but to claim rape. It's either that, or lose everything.

We never de-nazied them.

Whether that is true or not, I don't know. What I do know, is men should have more honor, and marry girls, not just use them for sex.

I actually met a serviceman who was deployed to Japan... and he met a nice girl, and they married... and he had lots of sex, and no rape charges.

How do I know? Well hard to get 5 kids without having a fair amount of sex. And she was really good looking one too. I was very surprised because he was.... average. Not ugly, but just an average guy. Somehow ended up with the Jenifer Lawrence of Japan.

Honestly, how many times have men screwed around women they were not married to, and then complain about being accused of rape? Stop screwing around. Marry the chick, and then have all the sex you want without rape charges. (unless you marry a real feminazi)

 

[The Great Goose]

If a Jap girl lays with a non jap man, she has no choice but to claim rape. It's either that, or lose everything.

We never de-nazied them.

Well, then we need equal laws that hold wrongdoers responsible for false charges.
This is important for rape victims also, to police against false alarms that hurt credibility of real cases.

What some college campuses have resorted to are Consent Forms that all enrollees/students
are required to sign in order to document that intimate relations are consensual.
If people have this in writing, that reduces false claims and fraud.
People can still manipulate contracts, as this happens all the time with family/estate/probate laws over wills that are contested,
but at least written wills and directives offer more protection to have legal documentation.

So the male keeps the signed form in case he's accused?

 

[emilynghiem]

If a Jap girl lays with a non jap man, she has no choice but to claim rape. It's either that, or lose everything.

We never de-nazied them.

Well, then we need equal laws that hold wrongdoers responsible for false charges.
This is important for rape victims also, to police against false alarms that hurt credibility of real cases.

What some college campuses have resorted to are Consent Forms that all enrollees/students
are required to sign in order to document that intimate relations are consensual.
If people have this in writing, that reduces false claims and fraud.
People can still manipulate contracts, as this happens all the time with family/estate/probate laws over wills that are contested,
but at least written wills and directives offer more protection to have legal documentation.

So the male keeps the signed form in case he's accused?

Yes, and I might even take it further and ask for two witnesses to reduce fraud.
We can't have religious laws requiring "no sex outside of marriage,"
but we COULD have the secular equivalent of contracts agreed in advance to protect both parties.
Get it in writing. Doesn't have to be a marriage, but just consensual agreement.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The US should leave. It's been long enough. The Chinese are going to force the Japanese to rearm soon anyway. Leave and gain the goodwill of the Japanese people at least.

 

[The Great Goose]

If a Jap girl lays with a non jap man, she has no choice but to claim rape. It's either that, or lose everything.

We never de-nazied them.

Well, then we need equal laws that hold wrongdoers responsible for false charges.
This is important for rape victims also, to police against false alarms that hurt credibility of real cases.

What some college campuses have resorted to are Consent Forms that all enrollees/students
are required to sign in order to document that intimate relations are consensual.
If people have this in writing, that reduces false claims and fraud.
People can still manipulate contracts, as this happens all the time with family/estate/probate laws over wills that are contested,
but at least written wills and directives offer more protection to have legal documentation.

So the male keeps the signed form in case he's accused?

Yes, and I might even take it further and ask for two witnesses to reduce fraud.
We can't have religious laws requiring "no sex outside of marriage,"
but we COULD have the secular equivalent of contracts agreed in advance to protect both parties.
Get it in writing. Doesn't have to be a marriage, but just consensual agreement.

well, that'd kill the mood, that's for sure.

 

[Andylusion]

The US should leave. It's been long enough. The Chinese are going to force the Japanese to rearm soon anyway. Leave and gain the goodwill of the Japanese people at least.

Here's the problem with that.

First, we have treaties that require us to be there. You say we can just leave and gain the goodwill of the people, but that's not true. We might gain the goodwill of the locals next to the base, but we would lose the goodwill of the rest of Japan, who would see us dishonorably leaving, breaking our word on the treaties we signed.

Especially with China on the rise, if we just deserted our ally who we have treaties with to keep troops there... you really think that Japan as a whole is going to look on that favorably? I don't think so.

Don't get caught up in the media view of the world. Positive things are never reported. There could be 50 million people in Japan that support our troops being there, and 100 that are protesting, and the media is going to report on the 100 protesting in the streets.

 

[MDiver]

I was in Japan and Okinawa a couple of times and noticed signs on the outside of businesses that read, "Americans keep out" and "Americans not welcome."
Some Japanese have complained that when president Obama spoke in Japan recently, he didn't speak more about the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Many of the Japanese harbor a hatred for the United States for bombing their cities. What they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that in 1941, they committed an unprovoked attack on our nation, killing thousands and during the entire war, committed war crimes atrocities against American military and civilian personnel.
They need to be reminded that those two bombings were as a result of their government refusing to surrender and that the surrender that they agreed to, was unconditional, hence our nation building and occupying bases.
However, having said that, if the Japanese government expresses a desire to have our troops leave, we should leave, with the understanding that we won't come to their rescue if China or North Korea acts against them.

 

[IsaacNewton]

I was in Japan and Okinawa a couple of times and noticed signs on the outside of businesses that read, "Americans keep out" and "Americans not welcome."
Some Japanese have complained that when president Obama spoke in Japan recently, he didn't speak more about the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Many of the Japanese harbor a hatred for the United States for bombing their cities. What they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that in 1941, they committed an unprovoked attack on our nation, killing thousands and during the entire war, committed war crimes atrocities against American military and civilian personnel.
They need to be reminded that those two bombings were as a result of their government refusing to surrender and that the surrender that they agreed to, was unconditional, hence our nation building and occupying bases.
However, having said that, if the Japanese government expresses a desire to have our troops leave, we should leave, with the understanding that we won't come to their rescue if China or North Korea acts against them.

There isn't any reason for the US to ever apologize for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As you point out the list of crimes and horrors leading up to those two events is long. And the bombings saved countless hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives.

The other part about not coming to Japan's rescue, we will do that no matter what. The US can never allow North Korea or China to act against it's neighbors without like response. The circumstances won't matter and China and North Korea, as well as any other country around the world who thinks they will take such action without the US responding, have to know up front the US military will show up immediately.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I was in Japan and Okinawa a couple of times and noticed signs on the outside of businesses that read, "Americans keep out" and "Americans not welcome."
Some Japanese have complained that when president Obama spoke in Japan recently, he didn't speak more about the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Many of the Japanese harbor a hatred for the United States for bombing their cities. What they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that in 1941, they committed an unprovoked attack on our nation, killing thousands and during the entire war, committed war crimes atrocities against American military and civilian personnel.
They need to be reminded that those two bombings were as a result of their government refusing to surrender and that the surrender that they agreed to, was unconditional, hence our nation building and occupying bases.
However, having said that, if the Japanese government expresses a desire to have our troops leave, we should leave, with the understanding that we won't come to their rescue if China or North Korea acts against them.

There isn't any reason for the US to ever apologize for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As you point out the list of crimes and horrors leading up to those two events is long. And the bombings saved countless hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives.

The other part about not coming to Japan's rescue, we will do that no matter what. The US can never allow North Korea or China to act against it's neighbors without like response. The circumstances won't matter and China and North Korea, as well as any other country around the world who thinks they will take such action without the US responding, have to know up front the US military will show up immediately.

It's kind of hard to walk or drive there if you are in Guam!

 

[IsaacNewton]

I was in Japan and Okinawa a couple of times and noticed signs on the outside of businesses that read, "Americans keep out" and "Americans not welcome."
Some Japanese have complained that when president Obama spoke in Japan recently, he didn't speak more about the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Many of the Japanese harbor a hatred for the United States for bombing their cities. What they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that in 1941, they committed an unprovoked attack on our nation, killing thousands and during the entire war, committed war crimes atrocities against American military and civilian personnel.
They need to be reminded that those two bombings were as a result of their government refusing to surrender and that the surrender that they agreed to, was unconditional, hence our nation building and occupying bases.
However, having said that, if the Japanese government expresses a desire to have our troops leave, we should leave, with the understanding that we won't come to their rescue if China or North Korea acts against them.

There isn't any reason for the US to ever apologize for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As you point out the list of crimes and horrors leading up to those two events is long. And the bombings saved countless hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives.

The other part about not coming to Japan's rescue, we will do that no matter what. The US can never allow North Korea or China to act against it's neighbors without like response. The circumstances won't matter and China and North Korea, as well as any other country around the world who thinks they will take such action without the US responding, have to know up front the US military will show up immediately.

It's kind of hard to walk or drive there if you are in Guam!

Captain Obvious, thank you for the 4th grade geography lesson.

 

[Andylusion]

I was in Japan and Okinawa a couple of times and noticed signs on the outside of businesses that read, "Americans keep out" and "Americans not welcome."
Some Japanese have complained that when president Obama spoke in Japan recently, he didn't speak more about the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Many of the Japanese harbor a hatred for the United States for bombing their cities. What they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that in 1941, they committed an unprovoked attack on our nation, killing thousands and during the entire war, committed war crimes atrocities against American military and civilian personnel.
They need to be reminded that those two bombings were as a result of their government refusing to surrender and that the surrender that they agreed to, was unconditional, hence our nation building and occupying bases.
However, having said that, if the Japanese government expresses a desire to have our troops leave, we should leave, with the understanding that we won't come to their rescue if China or North Korea acts against them.

There isn't any reason for the US to ever apologize for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As you point out the list of crimes and horrors leading up to those two events is long. And the bombings saved countless hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives.

The other part about not coming to Japan's rescue, we will do that no matter what. The US can never allow North Korea or China to act against it's neighbors without like response. The circumstances won't matter and China and North Korea, as well as any other country around the world who thinks they will take such action without the US responding, have to know up front the US military will show up immediately.

I would agree with you. Absolutely. Many Japanese who have researched those times and culture, have said exactly the same.

Another thing I learned was that one of the prime arguments for dropping the bomb, was because of what we were doing up till that point. We were fire-bombing Japan. Tokyo we created a firestorm where ground temperatures were 1800ºF a ground level... not for one spot hit by a bomb, but entire swaths of the city.

Bombers returning from these missions, found that the smell of burnt flesh had coated the underside of the planes. Literally the smell of burnt humans had engulfed the planes.

But the Japanese still refused to surrender. The people in our government argued they had to do anything to end the slaughter, and since fire bombing wasn't doing it, the nuclear bomb was perhaps the only way to force the government of Japan, and the public, that it was futile and there was no reason to continue.

It's almost odd, that people focus exclusively on the nuclear bomb, when honestly the horrors of world war 1 and 2, were far greater than those two single events.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I was in Japan and Okinawa a couple of times and noticed signs on the outside of businesses that read, "Americans keep out" and "Americans not welcome."
Some Japanese have complained that when president Obama spoke in Japan recently, he didn't speak more about the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Many of the Japanese harbor a hatred for the United States for bombing their cities. What they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that in 1941, they committed an unprovoked attack on our nation, killing thousands and during the entire war, committed war crimes atrocities against American military and civilian personnel.
They need to be reminded that those two bombings were as a result of their government refusing to surrender and that the surrender that they agreed to, was unconditional, hence our nation building and occupying bases.
However, having said that, if the Japanese government expresses a desire to have our troops leave, we should leave, with the understanding that we won't come to their rescue if China or North Korea acts against them.

There isn't any reason for the US to ever apologize for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As you point out the list of crimes and horrors leading up to those two events is long. And the bombings saved countless hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American lives.

The other part about not coming to Japan's rescue, we will do that no matter what. The US can never allow North Korea or China to act against it's neighbors without like response. The circumstances won't matter and China and North Korea, as well as any other country around the world who thinks they will take such action without the US responding, have to know up front the US military will show up immediately.

It's kind of hard to walk or drive there if you are in Guam!

Captain Obvious, thank you for the 4th grade geography lesson.

Thank you Captain Oblivious for completing ignoring the strategic locations of these bases.

 

[Sundance508]

If we did not send Black Servicement to Japan ....the rape of Japanese women would be mostly non-existent.

Black U.S. servicement comitt the overwhelming majority of the rapes there.....any servicemen who have been stationed in Japan know this....it is covered up by the military and the U.S. Media .

 

[Moonglow]

If we did not send Black Servicement to Japan ....the rape of Japanese women would be mostly non-existent.

Black U.S. servicement comitt the overwhelming majority of the rapes there.....any servicemen who have been stationed in Japan know this....it is covered up by the military and the U.S. Media .

Oh lawdy, dem white bois never goes after a woman to rape..

 

[JoeMoma]

If we did not send Black Servicement to Japan ....the rape of Japanese women would be mostly non-existent.

Black U.S. servicement comitt the overwhelming majority of the rapes there.....any servicemen who have been stationed in Japan know this....it is covered up by the military and the U.S. Media .

Oh lawdy, dem white bois never goes after a woman to rape..

It sure does come of as racist, but is it true?

 

[Sundance508]

If we did not send Black Servicement to Japan ....the rape of Japanese women would be mostly non-existent.

Black U.S. servicement comitt the overwhelming majority of the rapes there.....any servicemen who have been stationed in Japan know this....it is covered up by the military and the U.S. Media .

Oh lawdy, dem white bois never goes after a woman to rape..

It sure does come of as racist, but is it true?

Blacks are also over-represented in proportion to their percentage of the total pop. regarding rape in America.......aka
85% of all rapes in NYC committed by Blacks and Hispanics; for the sake of their victims can we address this please?