It's YOUR fault if you didn't know Obama hates America

[Woyzeck]

Let me ask you a question.

Let's say you meet a woman and you fall in love. Let's say you pursue her hand in marriage, do you go about it by telling her you love her, but you want to fundamentally change her? Not if you wanna keep your penis you don't.

The only way I could see her fundamentally changing her and still actually loving her was if she had some habit that was destroyed her life. Drug addiction, chain-smoking, alcoholism, kleptomania, etc.

But she could have other problems to work out as well. She could have anger management issues, or be far too naive and trusting of complete strangers, or be a complete and total flake, or have massive self-confidence issues. So you help her through those problems in order for her to become a better person. Even though you could very well argue that be helping her through those issues your fundamentally changing her.

But your analogy of Obama as the chap in love and the United States as the woman he wants to change doesn't work. Following it means we must also assume every politician, Congressperson or President hates the country for changing in some way because nearly all of them since the founding have upset the status quo in some way. In many places fundamentally changing it. Like the addition of new states, or all the amendments we added to the Constitution.

It DOES work, name me one other Presidential candidate who has ever said that America needed to fundamentally changed, and adding states or CON Amendments doesn't qualify because the very document that forms our government makes room for either to happen.

Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apologies, meant that, not adding new states. Had my wires crossed.

But come, tell everyone of this fundamental change that Obama has proposed. Something that will utterly change the country forever. Because we've had those (the emancipation of the slaves anyone? That rather changed the fundamentals in the South).

 

[The Infidel]

I did not vote for the fool. He can hate America all he wants. America WILL survive him.

 

[ConHog]

The only way I could see her fundamentally changing her and still actually loving her was if she had some habit that was destroyed her life. Drug addiction, chain-smoking, alcoholism, kleptomania, etc.

But she could have other problems to work out as well. She could have anger management issues, or be far too naive and trusting of complete strangers, or be a complete and total flake, or have massive self-confidence issues. So you help her through those problems in order for her to become a better person. Even though you could very well argue that be helping her through those issues your fundamentally changing her.

But your analogy of Obama as the chap in love and the United States as the woman he wants to change doesn't work. Following it means we must also assume every politician, Congressperson or President hates the country for changing in some way because nearly all of them since the founding have upset the status quo in some way. In many places fundamentally changing it. Like the addition of new states, or all the amendments we added to the Constitution.

It DOES work, name me one other Presidential candidate who has ever said that America needed to fundamentally changed, and adding states or CON Amendments doesn't qualify because the very document that forms our government makes room for either to happen.

Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apologies, meant that, not adding new states. Had my wires crossed.

But come, tell everyone of this fundamental change that Obama has proposed. Something that will utterly change the country forever. Because we've had those (the emancipation of the slaves anyone? That rather changed the fundamentals in the South).

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

 

[Modbert]

Hey Modfart, when I was your age (19) I was on my first tour in Iraq fighting for the very flag which you wrap around yourself while posting your inane drivel, so if I want to post a link on something that happened in 1902 I will and I won't worry about what some silly fucking child who lives in mommy's basement thinks about it.

Okay? Once again, thank you for your service, but it's not some card you can use to excuse your ignorant statements on this board.

You're using your service as a excuse to say "I can do whatever I want here, without being criticized for it" when nobody else does so.

Again, this is the second time you brought up your service. Get this through your head now, I respect anyone who serves in the military for their service. However, like I told you previously, I'm simply not going to get on my knees and sit by while you make complete bullshit statements.

 

[VaYank5150]

You're about what.. 2 and a half years late?

And appears to have the mental capacity of a 2 and a half year old.

 

[Woyzeck]

It DOES work, name me one other Presidential candidate who has ever said that America needed to fundamentally changed, and adding states or CON Amendments doesn't qualify because the very document that forms our government makes room for either to happen.

Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apologies, meant that, not adding new states. Had my wires crossed.

But come, tell everyone of this fundamental change that Obama has proposed. Something that will utterly change the country forever. Because we've had those (the emancipation of the slaves anyone? That rather changed the fundamentals in the South).

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

Hey, if its not healthcare that he's making us socialist, what is it? How is Obama turning us into a socialist nation?

 

[jillian]

Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apologies, meant that, not adding new states. Had my wires crossed.

But come, tell everyone of this fundamental change that Obama has proposed. Something that will utterly change the country forever. Because we've had those (the emancipation of the slaves anyone? That rather changed the fundamentals in the South).

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

Hey, if its not healthcare that he's making us socialist, what is it? How is Obama turning us into a socialist nation?

he doesn't know... but glen beck said it so it must be true.

 

[Cuyo]

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

Pfft. Hogwash. Listen champ, the people who fill your head with all that nonsensical drivel are liars. They are lying to you. It's a scare tactic by the people who've been running the show for 30 years+, and are now terrified that the party may be over. During this time they've decimated the middle class and funneled all the wealth up to the top; Now you absorb the nitwittery they throw at you and defend their ability to continue doing it. And you are not alone. It's unsettling to say the least.

 

[ConHog]

Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apologies, meant that, not adding new states. Had my wires crossed.

But come, tell everyone of this fundamental change that Obama has proposed. Something that will utterly change the country forever. Because we've had those (the emancipation of the slaves anyone? That rather changed the fundamentals in the South).

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

Hey, if its not healthcare that he's making us socialist, what is it? How is Obama turning us into a socialist nation?

As I said, if you don't have the guts to admit the obvious this discussion is over. Now if you wanted to have a serious debate about whether adding some socialism is a good thing, I'd be willing to entertain that argument; but when you just make deny what's going on , well that makes an honest debate impossible.

As one small, but recent, example I give you

The passionate actress announced Wednesday on her Satellite Rosie Radio Program, that all British Petroleum assets be seized immediately, in response to the Gulf Oil Spill crisis.

Stated Ms O'Donnell, "Seize the assets, seize their assets today...I don't care how...call it Socialism, call it Communism......"

Now ANY thinking person knows that Rosie is a HUGE Obama supporter and that she would not be making statement such as that unless she was perfectly comfortable talking about socialism in this country.

Again, if you can come back and admit that yes the man wants socialism and have a debate about that, fine, but otherwise I will file you away as intellectually dishonest and move on.

 

[Woyzeck]

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

Hey, if its not healthcare that he's making us socialist, what is it? How is Obama turning us into a socialist nation?

As I said, if you don't have the guts to admit the obvious this discussion is over. Now if you wanted to have a serious debate about whether adding some socialism is a good thing, I'd be willing to entertain that argument; but when you just make deny what's going on , well that makes an honest debate impossible.

As one small, but recent, example I give you

The passionate actress announced Wednesday on her Satellite Rosie Radio Program, that all British Petroleum assets be seized immediately, in response to the Gulf Oil Spill crisis.

Stated Ms O'Donnell, "Seize the assets, seize their assets today...I don't care how...call it Socialism, call it Communism......"

Now ANY thinking person knows that Rosie is a HUGE Obama supporter and that she would not be making statement such as that unless she was perfectly comfortable talking about socialism in this country.

Again, if you can come back and admit that yes the man wants socialism and have a debate about that, fine, but otherwise I will file you away as intellectually dishonest and move on.

Oh Connie, dear, dear Connie. Must we resort to such childish behavior like name calling? Come now darling, you claim that he hates the United States and that he wants to turn into a socialist country. But you haven't offered me anything of good substance to believe you. You say I should just admit he's turning it into a socialist nation, that it's fairly obvious. I asked you how, and you gave me nothing. Tsk, tsk. Naughty girl.

Is it so obvious to point out the obvious? Some chap that died years ago said "we have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." Well, since you don't want to point out the obvious, I guess the duty may not apply to you. You haven't even mentioned the slightest how Obama's turning us into socialists, besides it not being health care. I'm sure it's a fun fantasy that goes well with the orcs, unicorns and objectivists already marauding around your head.

Really Connie, don't try arguing when you've only get your feelings and opinions to go on. Back them up, or look like a bloody fool.

Lastly, what's O'Donnel got to do with any of this? So she has socialist opinions. I wasn't aware she was the secret power behind the Oval Office. Did she replace Rahm? or Hilary? Axelrod? Does she even have a job in the White House where she can influence policy? Probably not, no one wants a washed up has-been in the White House.

Except the Palin loving crowd. Teehee.

 

[ConHog]

Hey, if its not healthcare that he's making us socialist, what is it? How is Obama turning us into a socialist nation?

As I said, if you don't have the guts to admit the obvious this discussion is over. Now if you wanted to have a serious debate about whether adding some socialism is a good thing, I'd be willing to entertain that argument; but when you just make deny what's going on , well that makes an honest debate impossible.

As one small, but recent, example I give you

The passionate actress announced Wednesday on her Satellite Rosie Radio Program, that all British Petroleum assets be seized immediately, in response to the Gulf Oil Spill crisis.

Stated Ms O'Donnell, "Seize the assets, seize their assets today...I don't care how...call it Socialism, call it Communism......"

Now ANY thinking person knows that Rosie is a HUGE Obama supporter and that she would not be making statement such as that unless she was perfectly comfortable talking about socialism in this country.

Again, if you can come back and admit that yes the man wants socialism and have a debate about that, fine, but otherwise I will file you away as intellectually dishonest and move on.

Oh Connie, dear, dear Connie. Must we resort to such childish behavior like name calling? Come now darling, you claim that he hates the United States and that he wants to turn into a socialist country. But you haven't offered me anything of good substance to believe you. You say I should just admit he's turning it into a socialist nation, that it's fairly obvious. I asked you how, and you gave me nothing. Tsk, tsk. Naughty girl.

Is it so obvious to point out the obvious? Some chap that died years ago said "we have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." Well, since you don't want to point out the obvious, I guess the duty may not apply to you. You haven't even mentioned the slightest how Obama's turning us into socialists, besides it not being health care. I'm sure it's a fun fantasy that goes well with the orcs, unicorns and objectivists already marauding around your head.

Really Connie, don't try arguing when you've only get your feelings and opinions to go on. Back them up, or look like a bloody fool.

Lastly, what's O'Donnel got to do with any of this? So she has socialist opinions. I wasn't aware she was the secret power behind the Oval Office. Did she replace Rahm? or Hilary? Axelrod? Does she even have a job in the White House where she can influence policy? Probably not, no one wants a washed up has-been in the White House.

Except the Palin loving crowd. Teehee.

Ok. clearly I did not say that health care wasn't an example of his socialist plans. In fact they clearly are. I simply said I wouldn't stake my argument that he wants to transform American on health care.

Oh, and where did I call you names? Not that I won't do that, because it can be quite funny, but in this case I didn't.

 

[Yurt]

I mean here he is in 08 refusing to honor our national anthem

YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

I remember that. If you can find a clearer video, you'll find he's the ONLY one actually "speaking the words". The only one.

And when the camera is pulled away, those three were the only ones even paying attention. The rest of the stage was filled with white politicians babbling and yakking.

Next, you'll be saying Obama was looking at some girls ass.

Don't you guys have better things do discuss? No?

Well?

Thought so.

i rarely put so many smilies....but good lord...rdean....thanks for the laugh tonight....

i've seen spin and that was class A, prime time spin tonight

 

[Woyzeck]

As I said, if you don't have the guts to admit the obvious this discussion is over. Now if you wanted to have a serious debate about whether adding some socialism is a good thing, I'd be willing to entertain that argument; but when you just make deny what's going on , well that makes an honest debate impossible.

As one small, but recent, example I give you

The passionate actress announced Wednesday on her Satellite Rosie Radio Program, that all British Petroleum assets be seized immediately, in response to the Gulf Oil Spill crisis.

Stated Ms O'Donnell, "Seize the assets, seize their assets today...I don't care how...call it Socialism, call it Communism......"

Now ANY thinking person knows that Rosie is a HUGE Obama supporter and that she would not be making statement such as that unless she was perfectly comfortable talking about socialism in this country.

Again, if you can come back and admit that yes the man wants socialism and have a debate about that, fine, but otherwise I will file you away as intellectually dishonest and move on.

Oh Connie, dear, dear Connie. Must we resort to such childish behavior like name calling? Come now darling, you claim that he hates the United States and that he wants to turn into a socialist country. But you haven't offered me anything of good substance to believe you. You say I should just admit he's turning it into a socialist nation, that it's fairly obvious. I asked you how, and you gave me nothing. Tsk, tsk. Naughty girl.

Is it so obvious to point out the obvious? Some chap that died years ago said "we have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." Well, since you don't want to point out the obvious, I guess the duty may not apply to you. You haven't even mentioned the slightest how Obama's turning us into socialists, besides it not being health care. I'm sure it's a fun fantasy that goes well with the orcs, unicorns and objectivists already marauding around your head.

Really Connie, don't try arguing when you've only get your feelings and opinions to go on. Back them up, or look like a bloody fool.

Lastly, what's O'Donnel got to do with any of this? So she has socialist opinions. I wasn't aware she was the secret power behind the Oval Office. Did she replace Rahm? or Hilary? Axelrod? Does she even have a job in the White House where she can influence policy? Probably not, no one wants a washed up has-been in the White House.

Except the Palin loving crowd. Teehee.

Ok. clearly I did not say that health care wasn't an example of his socialist plans. In fact they clearly are. I simply said I wouldn't stake my argument that he wants to transform American on health care.

Oh, and where did I call you names? Not that I won't do that, because it can be quite funny, but in this case I didn't.

Well you said this:

Come on man. I won't bring up things as pedantic as health care and such; I will simply bring up his obvious push to convert us from a primarily capitalistic nation to a primarily socialistic nation. And we're not talking about at a a New Deal level, we're talking about the mother of New Deals here. And I'm sorry , but if you can't be honest enough to admit that yes, that his goal; this argument is over.

So I assumed since you weren't going to talk how it was proof of him turning us socialist, it wasn't evidence. After all, for something so apparent, you wouldn't dismiss any sort of evidence outright. But, it's not like the current health care bill is even socialist, it just makes everyone buy health insurance. It's hardly the workers taking control of the means of production wouldn't you say?

You called me intellectually. dishonest Connie, and that's a name. I, someone who has simply asked you questions about how Obama hates America and how he's turning us socialist. You provided no answers, in your original post, saying simply it was obvious. Someone more cynical might say you didn't have any proof to these assertions to begin with.

In fact, you brought up his obvious push to push us to socialism. And then not say how. Except its obvious I should know. I asked you to explain it. You didn't. Again, Connie, your trite fantasies and opinions don't make you right, when reality says very much otherwise. Back up your assertions, my dear fellow, or else I'm forced to conclude... *gasp* you're being intellectually dishonest. Imagine that.

 

[George Costanza]

Its not just him but they all hate America but they love their government. Its total state for them. That is what we must understand.

Not true. Some hate not what they think their government stands for but, in reality, the same as President Obama. With those types, little can be done unless described as deranged or unhinged. A wet bird never flies at night.

 

[Rinata]

Another really stupid thread with not one ounce of value.

 

[L.K.Eder]

this is extremely bad news, for obama.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I mean here he is in 08 refusing to honor our national anthem

YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

wow.

I bet he is an illegal.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I mean here he is in 08 refusing to honor our national anthem

YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

how is he refusing to honor it? Standing with hands clasped is what I do too. I never put my hand over my heart in affectation during the anthem.

 

[kurtsprincess]

Well, for those of you giving the OP a hard time for posting an old video .... I'd like to point out that some of us are not Obama fanatics and have never seen this video...

As for whether Obama hates America ... I believe he, and his wife, are not proud to be Americans until they can "fundamentally change" it to a socialist nation. How are they doing it .... as someone said earlier, they are working towards eradicating capitalism and replacing with socialism. How are they doing that....other than healthcare? When the government steps in and seizes control of a private sector organization (like auto industry, and as is being touted now...taking over BP), then I would say they want government to "own" things.....to me, government owning corporations = socialism.

 

[skookerasbil]