It's Official: I come from a country full of peaceniks

[del]

And surpassed by the ignorance of ten countries who are proud of themselves for some meaningless honor that has more to do with their insignificance than their self-restraint at waging war.

perhaps you could regale us with tales of your wartime experiences?

Nuh uh. I want to know about any experiences Barack Obama had doing anything first.

I'm typing here. He's lobbing drones into Afghanistan and Pakistan. He's running GM.

He's got a lot more 'splainin' to do than me.

try to focus, fuckstick.
we're talking about new zealand, not your case of ODS.

 

[Oddball]

perhaps you could regale us with tales of your wartime experiences?

A comment as irrelevant as Fraulein Hilda's ignorance of history....No offense.

Finland threw back the Soviet invasion of 1939-40.

The Nazis only but barely took Norway, didn't dare go for Sweden, and let the Danes remain neutral.

This has less to do with restraint than it does military significance of the given countries.

Don't take this shit personally..

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

The US at one time made commitments to nations like South Vietnam to protect them. In the big bad world, when bad guys see you have no intention of honoring your commitments, they march anywhere, anytime, knowing there will be no repercussions. Take North Korea, for example.

 

[DiveCon]

No, the insinuation of these lists is that countries like the US could be more like countries like yours if only we cared!

No worries, babe. We got your back.

No, no insinuation there sista. Go and read the data. "caring" is all but insignificant. It looks at freedom of press (weirdly you guys score higher than us), political climate, number of people in prison etc - you really should click on the countries -it's an interesting read.

BTW, I love the fact we are isolated - keeps us out of the shit.

As for your "excuses" regarding Viet Nam etc and your geographical and geopolitical reasonings - I ask one question with that regard: If you had not gone in to any of those countries - overtly or covertly - would it had made one iota of difference to the US? I say no on all accounts....

Er, no you haven't got our back since our PM back in 1985 told you to put your nuclear umbrella where the sun don't shine... And once you guys kicked us out of ANZUS we've been on our own baby - and guess what? Nobody's invaded..go figure!

could it be that you aint got nuffin anyone wants

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

 

[del]

perhaps you could regale us with tales of your wartime experiences?

A comment as irrelevant as Fraulein Hilda's ignorance of history....No offense.

Finland threw back the Soviet invasion of 1939-40.

The Nazis only but barely took Norway, didn't dare go for Sweden, and let the Danes remain neutral.

This has less to do with restraint than it does military significance of the given countries.

Don't take this shit personally..

none taken.

i was momentarily deranged by hilda's apparent belief that self-restraint in waging war is a negative attribute. i agree with your main point re: restraint vs military value.

i never do.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

i was momentarily deranged by hilda's apparent belief that self-restraint in waging war is a negative attribute.

No, babe, only that it has more to do with where God has your little land mass squirrelled away on the globe than your superiority as a society.

 

[Nik]

i was momentarily deranged by hilda's apparent belief that self-restraint in waging war is a negative attribute.

No, babe, only that it has more to do with where God has your little land mass squirrelled away on the globe than your superiority as a society.

As opposed to the US, which never had any benefits from its remoteness. Its avoidance of major bombing campaigns throughout much of WWI and WWII was just due to natural superiority, or something.

 

[del]

i was momentarily deranged by hilda's apparent belief that self-restraint in waging war is a negative attribute.

No, babe, only that it has more to do with where God has your little land mass squirrelled away on the globe than your superiority as a society.

i live in new england, not new zealand, darling.


perhaps you'd care to quote me on the superiority of new zealand vs. the usa?

i'll wait.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Dr. Dump is in New Zealand. He's in love with his society because it's so peaceful. I say it's because he's lucky and not better.

Ciao, baby.

 

[Oddball]

perhaps you could regale us with tales of your wartime experiences?

A comment as irrelevant as Fraulein Hilda's ignorance of history....No offense.

Finland threw back the Soviet invasion of 1939-40.

The Nazis only but barely took Norway, didn't dare go for Sweden, and let the Danes remain neutral.

This has less to do with restraint than it does military significance of the given countries.

Don't take this shit personally..

none taken.

i was momentarily deranged by hilda's apparent belief that self-restraint in waging war is a negative attribute. i agree with your main point re: restraint vs military value.

i never do.

Cool.

Thanx for the clarification.

 

[del]

you're welcome.

 

[DiveCon]

No, babe, only that it has more to do with where God has your little land mass squirrelled away on the globe than your superiority as a society.

i live in new england, not new zealand, darling.


perhaps you'd care to quote me on the superiority of new zealand vs. the usa?

i'll wait.

how come you dont proudly have that as your location

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Aww, c'mon, that list is Bogus!

New Zealand 1 1.202
Denmark 2 1.217
Norway 2 1.217
Iceland 4 1.225
Austria 5 1.252
Sweden 6 1.269
Japan 7 1.272
Canada 8 1.311
Finland 9 1.322
Slovenia 9 1.322
Czech Republic 11 1.328
Ireland 12 1.333
Luxembourg 13 1.341
Portugal 14 1.348
Belgium 15 1.359
Germany 16 1.392
Qatar 16 1.392
Switzerland 18 1.393
Australia 19 1.476
Chile 20 1.481
Oman 21 1.520
Netherlands 22 1.531
Singapore 23 1.533
Slovakia 24 1.539
Uruguay 25 1.557
Malaysia 26 1.561
Hungary 27 1.575
Spain 28 1.577
Costa Rica 29 1.578

TWENTY-NINTH!?!? We unilaterally and constitutionally abolished the armed forces over 60 YEARS ago!! First in the world! Then again, if it's taking into account GDP per capita and even nominal GDP then it will obviously give an unfair advantage to richer countries almost by default. Eh, well, whatever, we're in fairly good company, even at #29. There are some fuzzy indicators there, though. For example, the we get a rating of 2 in the number of police and security forces, which is ridiculous. We have 4 million people and barely 10,000 cops in the entire country, and that's the total, meaning there's what, 3,000 on duty at any given time? And we get a 1.5 rating for "conflict fought 2000-2005"? We don't fight any conflicts! We don't have a friggin' army. That one is just flat out wrong, I have no idea what that 0.5 is for. But I'll give them that citizen distrust and crime levels really throw us kinda off... but we'll get to it... we'll get to it.

 

[Dr Grump]

Dr. Dump is in New Zealand. He's in love with his society because it's so peaceful. I say it's because he's lucky and not better.

Ciao, baby.

No Shill-da, I never said any such thing. All I did was post a comment, nothing else. I think you are a little defensive that the rest of the world doesn't hang on every word of your Republican (as in form of govt, not political party) Utopia....

As for being lucky, I'll say this - we could piss on every island nation around here easily (take a look at the recent coups in Fiji), but we chose to leave them to their own devices (and trust me, back in the 1970s we had exactly the same problem with island immigration that you have with your southern border ). My point being, you are wrong...for a change..

 

[WillowTree]

They were never invaded. Thanks to the US. Shut the fuck up yourself.

Really? Care to back that up? Do you know where NZ was on the Japanese Military maps? Do you know if they were even interested in coming here? And why did we fight against the Japanese? Because they invaded NZ? Because we attacked them? No and no. There was this incident on Dec 7, 1941 that got our involvement. Nothing to do with us. Not even on our radar. Yet we declared war on the Nips. Ditto Sept 1939 on the Germans. Again, nothing to do with us. Glad to know who your friends are....

Thank You! I'd give you a clap but I dare not! but Thank You.

 

[Agnapostate]

The Russians and Chinese are both highly socialistic

Or not. Better luck next time, Dud.

 

[Xenophon]

You did your damage in the 19th century.

Perhaps someday the maori will have their land back from you 'progressive socialists'.

 

[Barb]

Congratulations. You have nothing anybody is willing to fight for to get, and there is nothing you want badly enough to fight for.

Thank heavens for the half you got right.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Interesting list, surely. But Denmark, Sweden, Norway, New Zealand all have nice neighbors. Austria, Like Japan, is demilitarized.

It is also worth noting that Japan's military is pretty strong and healthy. They just don't go anywhere with it.

Canada has only Denmark and The US for neighbors. the last military conflict with the US ended 195 years ago.

Finland has some very interesting history vis a vis its only dangerous neighbor. Such that the dangerous neighbor left it alone. Finland is sort of like Ferdinand the bull. Just likes to smell the flowers under the cork tree, but you will regret getting in a fight with it.

Iceland is part of Denmark. Odd for Denmark to be included twice.

"Socialist" is in the eye of the beholder. The US is a great deal more socialist today than it was just six months ago. Prosperous is a different story. As noted up topic, socialist is kind of hard to measure