Its July 4th.....Have you thanked a Liberal today???

[Liberty]

bod, you seriously don't know the difference between a classical liberal and a modern progressive liberal? :/ my respect of you has been misplaced. in today's context a modern american constitutional conservative is closer to the classical liberal understanding of the founders (some argue the modern libertarian is more akin to the classical liberal, but its debatable in the social aspect of the ideology) than modern progressive liberalism which focuses more heavily on socialism and cradle to grave style planning. you know this right?

 

[daveman]

I'm sorry that your education failed.

The Tories were the Loyalists were the Conservatives.

And today's Progressives are not liberals. They would have informed on the revolutionaries.

In your fantasy world where the Conservatives wrote the Dec of Independence and fought against England instead of FOR England.....

As has been pointed out to retarded leftists all throughout this thread, the FF were all over the political spectrum.

But it's utterly impossible that modern Progressives, with their love of big-government oligarchy and contempt for individual rights, would have supported the small Federal government the FF built based on individual liberties.

So don't even try selling that bullshit.

 

[daveman]

I'm sorry that your education failed.

The Tories were the Loyalists were the Conservatives.

And today's Progressives are not liberals. They would have informed on the revolutionaries.

In your fantasy world where the Conservatives wrote the Dec of Independence and fought against England instead of FOR England.....

See, Cali Girl? I told you she was serious.

However, I was wrong in one prediction: She didn't try to claim it was a joke. No, instead she doubled down on the derp.

 

[daveman]

bod, you seriously don't know the difference between a classical liberal and a modern progressive liberal? :/ my respect of you has been misplaced. in today's context a modern american constitutional conservative is closer to the classical liberal understanding of the founders (some argue the modern libertarian is more akin to the classical liberal, but its debatable in the social aspect of the ideology) than modern progressive liberalism which focuses more heavily on socialism and cradle to grave style planning. you know this right?

Nuh-UH!! Both kinds of liberals are the same, because they both start with the letter L!


Yes, that's pretty much their proof.

 

[bodecea]

the amount of stupid in this thread is overwhelming. USMB, when did you get so stupid?
Classical Liberalism does not equal Modern Liberalism...anyone with half a brain knows this. To somehow equate modern liberalism with classical is to simply showcase your idiocy like a gigantic bilboard that says "Hey, look at me, I am a fucking idiot". And so you are.

Just like a conservative colonist and a constitutional conservative are different...holy crap I refuse to educate these fools like RW AGAIN, they refuse to embrace truth and thus deserve nothing more than pity, if that.

Of course not...just like Classic Conservatism does not equal Modern Conservatism...both Liberalism and Conservatism move with the times.

But while we can say that the LIBERALS, the innovators who created this country are not the same as the Liberals today....it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that our Founders may have been Conservatives.

But, some people live in a static world...their minds can't wrap around change....some of the best chuckles I get is when some of them talk of the Democrats of the 1800s and up to the 1940s as somehow being the same as the Democrats today ideologically. It is pretty funny to see how their brains are so fossilized like that.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And today's Progressives are not liberals. They would have informed on the revolutionaries.

In your fantasy world where the Conservatives wrote the Dec of Independence and fought against England instead of FOR England.....

See, Cali Girl? I told you she was serious.

However, I was wrong in one prediction: She didn't try to claim it was a joke. No, instead she doubled down on the derp.

Yep. Oddly, she can't correlate the struggle against an all intrusive Monarchy with the struggle against an all intrusive state.

They're oh so different.

 

[daveman]

the amount of stupid in this thread is overwhelming. USMB, when did you get so stupid?
Classical Liberalism does not equal Modern Liberalism...anyone with half a brain knows this. To somehow equate modern liberalism with classical is to simply showcase your idiocy like a gigantic bilboard that says "Hey, look at me, I am a fucking idiot". And so you are.

Just like a conservative colonist and a constitutional conservative are different...holy crap I refuse to educate these fools like RW AGAIN, they refuse to embrace truth and thus deserve nothing more than pity, if that.

Of course not...just like Classic Conservatism does not equal Modern Conservatism...both Liberalism and Conservatism move with the times.

But while we can say that the LIBERALS, the innovators who created this country are not the same as the Liberals today....it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that our Founders may have been Conservatives.

But, some people live in a static world...their minds can't wrap around change....some of the best chuckles I get is when some of them talk of the Democrats of the 1800s and up to the 1940s as somehow being the same as the Democrats today ideologically. It is pretty funny to see how their brains are so fossilized like that.

You claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

 

[daveman]

In your fantasy world where the Conservatives wrote the Dec of Independence and fought against England instead of FOR England.....

See, Cali Girl? I told you she was serious.

However, I was wrong in one prediction: She didn't try to claim it was a joke. No, instead she doubled down on the derp.

Yep. Oddly, she can't correlate the struggle against an all intrusive Monarchy with the struggle against an all intrusive state.

They're oh so different.

That's because she can't understand why anyone would struggle against either.

It's beyond pathetic, but some Americans want to be subjects, not citizens. This thread is full of examples.

Fuck that shit.

 

[bodecea]

the amount of stupid in this thread is overwhelming. USMB, when did you get so stupid?
Classical Liberalism does not equal Modern Liberalism...anyone with half a brain knows this. To somehow equate modern liberalism with classical is to simply showcase your idiocy like a gigantic bilboard that says "Hey, look at me, I am a fucking idiot". And so you are.

Just like a conservative colonist and a constitutional conservative are different...holy crap I refuse to educate these fools like RW AGAIN, they refuse to embrace truth and thus deserve nothing more than pity, if that.

Of course not...just like Classic Conservatism does not equal Modern Conservatism...both Liberalism and Conservatism move with the times.

But while we can say that the LIBERALS, the innovators who created this country are not the same as the Liberals today....it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that our Founders may have been Conservatives.

But, some people live in a static world...their minds can't wrap around change....some of the best chuckles I get is when some of them talk of the Democrats of the 1800s and up to the 1940s as somehow being the same as the Democrats today ideologically. It is pretty funny to see how their brains are so fossilized like that.

You claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

I claim that the Tories were the Conservatives of that time, and the Patriots were the Liberals of that time.

I challenge you to find where at anytime I said the Conservatives (Tories) of that time were the same as Conservatives today.

I thank you in advance for you providing such proof.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

the amount of stupid in this thread is overwhelming. Usmb, when did you get so stupid?
classical liberalism does not equal modern liberalism...anyone with half a brain knows this. To somehow equate modern liberalism with classical is to simply showcase your idiocy like a gigantic bilboard that says "hey, look at me, i am a fucking idiot". And so you are.

Just like a conservative colonist and a constitutional conservative are different...holy crap i refuse to educate these fools like rw again, they refuse to embrace truth and thus deserve nothing more than pity, if that.

of course not...just like classic conservatism does not equal modern conservatism...both liberalism and conservatism move with the times.

But while we can say that the liberals, the innovators who created this country are not the same as the liberals today....it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that our founders may have been conservatives.

But, some people live in a static world...their minds can't wrap around change....some of the best chuckles i get is when some of them talk of the democrats of the 1800s and up to the 1940s as somehow being the same as the democrats today ideologically. It is pretty funny to see how their brains are so fossilized like that.

you claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

doh!

 

[uscitizen]

The definition does not change, just the crowd that calls themselves that.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Of course not...just like Classic Conservatism does not equal Modern Conservatism...both Liberalism and Conservatism move with the times.

But while we can say that the LIBERALS, the innovators who created this country are not the same as the Liberals today....it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that our Founders may have been Conservatives.

But, some people live in a static world...their minds can't wrap around change....some of the best chuckles I get is when some of them talk of the Democrats of the 1800s and up to the 1940s as somehow being the same as the Democrats today ideologically. It is pretty funny to see how their brains are so fossilized like that.

You claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

I claim that the Tories were the Conservatives of that time, and the Patriots were the Liberals of that time.

I challenge you to find where at anytime I said the Conservatives (Tories) of that time were the same as Conservatives today.

I thank you in advance for you providing such proof.

So.. you're claiming that the people fighting AGAINST an all intrusive government were liberals?

Is ya NUTS?

 

[Cecilie1200]

You claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

I claim that the Tories were the Conservatives of that time, and the Patriots were the Liberals of that time.

I challenge you to find where at anytime I said the Conservatives (Tories) of that time were the same as Conservatives today.

I thank you in advance for you providing such proof.

So.. you're claiming that the people fighting AGAINST an all intrusive government were liberals?

Is ya NUTS?

Actually, they're all claiming that if they can appropriate the term "liberal" for themselves, they can also appropriate any human being throughout history who ever used that word, however little they actually have in common with the original meaning of it.

It's sort of like if I started demanding that everyone call me "Queen Cecilie", and then thought that gave me the right to live in Buckingham Palace.

 

[daveman]

Of course not...just like Classic Conservatism does not equal Modern Conservatism...both Liberalism and Conservatism move with the times.

But while we can say that the LIBERALS, the innovators who created this country are not the same as the Liberals today....it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that our Founders may have been Conservatives.

But, some people live in a static world...their minds can't wrap around change....some of the best chuckles I get is when some of them talk of the Democrats of the 1800s and up to the 1940s as somehow being the same as the Democrats today ideologically. It is pretty funny to see how their brains are so fossilized like that.

You claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

I claim that the Tories were the Conservatives of that time, and the Patriots were the Liberals of that time.

I challenge you to find where at anytime I said the Conservatives (Tories) of that time were the same as Conservatives today.

I thank you in advance for you providing such proof.

"In your fantasy world where the Conservatives...fought against England instead of FOR England...."

Proof provided. Now maybe you can answer Soggy's question:

Are you claiming that people who support big, oppressive government would have fought the Crown?


I'll give you a few moments. I can tell you haven't given this any thought at all beyond a knee-jerk "Liberals good, conservatives bad!" bit of mindless vapidity.

 

[bodecea]

You claim conservatives have changed since 1776...but yet you make claims based on your assumption that they haven't.

You can't have it both ways, although you're desperately trying to.

I claim that the Tories were the Conservatives of that time, and the Patriots were the Liberals of that time.

I challenge you to find where at anytime I said the Conservatives (Tories) of that time were the same as Conservatives today.

I thank you in advance for you providing such proof.

"In your fantasy world where the Conservatives...fought against England instead of FOR England...."

Proof provided. Now maybe you can answer Soggy's question:

Are you claiming that people who support big, oppressive government would have fought the Crown?


I'll give you a few moments. I can tell you haven't given this any thought at all beyond a knee-jerk "Liberals good, conservatives bad!" bit of mindless vapidity.

I'm still awaiting your proof...that I ever said Conservatives today are the same as Conservatives in 1776. Thank you in advance.

 

[daveman]

I claim that the Tories were the Conservatives of that time, and the Patriots were the Liberals of that time.

I challenge you to find where at anytime I said the Conservatives (Tories) of that time were the same as Conservatives today.

I thank you in advance for you providing such proof.

"In your fantasy world where the Conservatives...fought against England instead of FOR England...."

Proof provided. Now maybe you can answer Soggy's question:

Are you claiming that people who support big, oppressive government would have fought the Crown?


I'll give you a few moments. I can tell you haven't given this any thought at all beyond a knee-jerk "Liberals good, conservatives bad!" bit of mindless vapidity.

I'm still awaiting your proof...that I ever said Conservatives today are the same as Conservatives in 1776. Thank you in advance.

I did. You're claiming that modern conservatives would have fought for England.

You utterly refuse to see how ridiculous that claim is. That's because you're a stupid, stupid woman.

 

[bodecea]

"In your fantasy world where the Conservatives...fought against England instead of FOR England...."

Proof provided. Now maybe you can answer Soggy's question:

Are you claiming that people who support big, oppressive government would have fought the Crown?


I'll give you a few moments. I can tell you haven't given this any thought at all beyond a knee-jerk "Liberals good, conservatives bad!" bit of mindless vapidity.

I'm still awaiting your proof...that I ever said Conservatives today are the same as Conservatives in 1776. Thank you in advance.

I did. You're claiming that modern conservatives would have fought for England.

You utterly refuse to see how ridiculous that claim is. That's because you're a stupid, stupid woman.

Where did I say MODERN Conservatives in that comment....I see this:

"In your fantasy world where Conservatives FOUGHT (note the past tense) against England instead of FOR England".

Weak first attempt. Try again.

 

[daveman]

I'm still awaiting your proof...that I ever said Conservatives today are the same as Conservatives in 1776. Thank you in advance.

I did. You're claiming that modern conservatives would have fought for England.

You utterly refuse to see how ridiculous that claim is. That's because you're a stupid, stupid woman.

Where did I say MODERN Conservatives in that comment....I see this:

"In your fantasy world where Conservatives FOUGHT (note the past tense) against England instead of FOR England".

Weak first attempt. Try again.

Weaseling out of it. Typical.

Now, when are you going to make the case that big-government supporters would have fought against the Crown? Or are you going to weasel out of that, too?

 

[uscitizen]

Big govt supporters would have fought against the crown?

huh?

 

[Liberty]