Italy shows that gun control doesn't effect gun murder rates...

[rightwinger]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

 

[2aguy]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

And it isn't reasonable...... try that for voting and see what happens.

 

[Rustic]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

Lol
In the country that has no right to firearm ownership, and no right to freedom of speech. But we have both of those don’t we?

 

[theHawk]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

They’re also far more white. Negroes make up only 3% of the population.
But I know you like to pretend that has no effect on crime and gun violence.

 

[rightwinger]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

And it isn't reasonable...... try that for voting and see what happens.

Voting doesn’t kill 10,000 Americans a year

 

[Rustic]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

And it isn't reasonable...... try that for voting and see what happens.

Voting doesn’t kill 10,000 Americans a year

People kill people not firearms

 

[ptbw forever]

What? You don't love England no more?

I love all of the gun grabbing nations....and hope that one day their people will also be free to use guns to stop rapists, robbers and killers......

the thing is... gun control is pointless even when the gun grabbers speak Italian.....

They dont have a lower IQ than gun lovers in the US. You can roam Europe and wont he at a gun shot, you can watch their local news and no gun crimes. Turn to local news in the US and its chaos.

I see that you ran away from my proof that Americans are smarter than Brits after you specifically asked for it.....

 

[ptbw forever]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

You would never get a permit, moron.

Much less TWO permits.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

They’re also far more white. Negroes make up only 3% of the population.
But I know you like to pretend that has no effect on crime and gun violence.

Blacks and POC make up about 20% of the population, primary in the metro areas.

And they're numbers are far less than ours.

 

[JakeStarkey]

People using firearms kill people.

 

[2aguy]

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

Sounds reasonable

And it isn't reasonable...... try that for voting and see what happens.

Voting doesn’t kill 10,000 Americans a year

Yes it does. It is the democrats who are voted into power in our cities that are letting violent gun offenders out of jail......

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skull Pilot, when 2aguy provided figures instead of View attachment 203495 , then we can offer the other figures and compare. It is his duty and needs to get to it. Why hasn't he? ....

I've shown you that the murder rate in the UK is not lower than it was before all their gun laws and gun bans were passed

You say there has been a decrease in the murder rate and you give no proof

 

[Skull Pilot]

People using firearms kill people.

People using knives kill people
People using clubs kill people
People kill people with their bare hands

People kill people
People have always killed people
People will always kill people

this fact is as irrefutable as gravity and you think getting rid of guns will stop it

 

[Vagabond63]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

Gun murders in Britain going back to 1972.....

1972... 31

2017...32

Their gun control laws had no effect on their gun murder.... that is all on their criminals who tend not to murder their victims.....they tend to shoot them in the legs, not the head, chest or abdomen.....

Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999

1972...31
1973...32
1974...51
1975...46
1976...45
1977...29
1978...40
1979...55
1980...24
1981...34
1982...46
1983...43
1984...67
1985...45
1986...51
1987...77
1988...36
1989...45

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

1990...60
1991...55
1992...56
1993...74
1994...66
1995...70
1996...49
1997...59
1998...54
1999...49
2000...62
2001...73
2002...97



2003...81
2004...68
2005...77
2006...50
2007...59
2008...53


2009...41
2010...41
2011...60

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2012...42
2013...30
2014...27
2015...19
2016...26

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

2017...32

Thank you for demonstrating so clearly that we don't need guns for self defence in the UK.

 

[Vagabond63]

BTW the US has had 152 mass shootings since 1967, since we implemented gun control in the UK, we've had 1

 

[JakeStarkey]

Skull Pilot, when 2aguy provided figures instead of View attachment 203495 , then we can offer the other figures and compare. It is his duty and needs to get to it. Why hasn't he? ....

I've shown you that the murder rate in the UK is not lower than it was before all their gun laws and gun bans were passed

You say there has been a decrease in the murder rate and you give no proof

But it has not increase significantly, if at all, in a much more culturally confused world there.

 

[JakeStarkey]

People using firearms kill people.

People using knives kill people
People using clubs kill people
People kill people with their bare hands

People kill people
People have always killed people
People will always kill people

this fact is as irrefutable as gravity and you think getting rid of guns will stop it

The indubitable fact is that guns are so much more effective in mass murder than knives and clubs and bare hands.

 

[Skull Pilot]

BTW the US has had 152 mass shootings since 1967, since we implemented gun control in the UK, we've had 1

And the murder rate has not dropped below what it was before all you gun laws were passed

The UK and the US are not analogous.

 

[Skull Pilot]

People using firearms kill people.

People using knives kill people
People using clubs kill people
People kill people with their bare hands

People kill people
People have always killed people
People will always kill people

this fact is as irrefutable as gravity and you think getting rid of guns will stop it

The indubitable fact is that guns are so much more effective in mass murder than knives and clubs and bare hands.

So now it's mass murder

Make up your fucking mind

Murder is murder
It matters not if it is committed with a gun or any other of a thousand other ways and it doesn't matter more than one gets murdered at the same time

Dead is dead

and I'll tell you again mass murders account for 1% of all murders in this country and even if you could stop them the murder rate would remain unchanged

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skull Pilot, when 2aguy provided figures instead of View attachment 203495 , then we can offer the other figures and compare. It is his duty and needs to get to it. Why hasn't he? ....

I've shown you that the murder rate in the UK is not lower than it was before all their gun laws and gun bans were passed

You say there has been a decrease in the murder rate and you give no proof

But it has not increase significantly, if at all, in a much more culturally confused world there.

And ours hasn't increased significantly from what it was in 1950