Italy shows that gun control doesn't effect gun murder rates...

[2aguy]

A look at the desire of Italians to have access to guns.....and how their gun control laws had no effect on gun murder....

Italians Increasingly Want Gun Law Reform, Easier Access to Firearms - The Truth About Guns

The idea that gun control reduces the homicide rate is a myth. In fact, it’s mostly unrelated. Homicides were dropping before the gun control laws were put in place in 1931. Homicides were at a low of 1.3/100K of population. They rose after the gun law was passed, and peaked at 4.6/100k in 1950. Criminal homicides tend to drop during a war, but Italy lost the war.

They dropped to a low of 1.0 in 1972 (more controls put in during the 70’s), peaked again at 2.2 in 1986, 3.3 in 1991, and have dropped to .9/100K in 2015, relatively little different than they were when the whole mess started in 1939. Homicides have gone up and down in Italy, in spite of gun laws.

Now people in Italy are being exposed to more ideas of freedom and individual responsibility. Those ideas include taking responsibility for your own safety.

Currently, Italy’s rigorous gun laws require anyone who wants to buy a gun to be over 18, have a clean criminal record, get certified by a shooting range and attest that they don’t have mental health or addiction problems. Once purchased, guns must be reported to a police station and you need an extra permit to carry one in public.

And even though crime rates in Italy have remained fairly constant, Italians are feeling less safe.

 

[2aguy]

What? You don't love England no more?

I love all of the gun grabbing nations....and hope that one day their people will also be free to use guns to stop rapists, robbers and killers......

the thing is... gun control is pointless even when the gun grabbers speak Italian.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

 

[2aguy]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

Their gun laws didn't cut down on the gun murder rate.....in fact, gun crime has gone up 44% while gun murder has pretty much stayed at the same level regardless of their gun ban and confiscation...

You try to hide behind gun murder as the measure of gun control success...but when you use gun control to ban and confiscate guns, and the gun murder rate isn't effected by those measures....while criminals are getting access to more and more guns..... gun control is shown to not work....

But keep trying, you doofus.

 

[2aguy]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

Gun murders in Britain going back to 1972.....

1972... 31

2017...32

Their gun control laws had no effect on their gun murder.... that is all on their criminals who tend not to murder their victims.....they tend to shoot them in the legs, not the head, chest or abdomen.....

Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999

1972...31
1973...32
1974...51
1975...46
1976...45
1977...29
1978...40
1979...55
1980...24
1981...34
1982...46
1983...43
1984...67
1985...45
1986...51
1987...77
1988...36
1989...45

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

1990...60
1991...55
1992...56
1993...74
1994...66
1995...70
1996...49
1997...59
1998...54
1999...49
2000...62
2001...73
2002...97



2003...81
2004...68
2005...77
2006...50
2007...59
2008...53


2009...41
2010...41
2011...60

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2012...42
2013...30
2014...27
2015...19
2016...26

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

2017...32

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you 2aguy for proving just how effective, much more so than the US, are the laws in England, Wales, and Scotland.

 

[2aguy]

Thank you 2aguy for proving just how effective, much more so than the US, are the laws in England, Wales, and Scotland.

And the fact that you can't tell that banning and confiscating guns did nothing to decrease their gun murder rates is pretty much indicative that the truth, facts and reality have no home in your brain...

 

[2aguy]

Thank you 2aguy for proving just how effective, much more so than the US, are the laws in England, Wales, and Scotland.

And the fact that you can't tell that banning and confiscating guns did nothing to decrease their gun murder rates is pretty much indicative that the truth, facts and reality have no home in your brain...

We kill a lot. Them, not so much. We should do what they are doing.

Fine.... explain to our criminals that they need to be more like Italian criminals and murder fewer people.....

There....that should solve the problem.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

So, lets look at the actual figures for gun-related homicides in some other "gun-controlled" nations:
We'll start with our gun-related homicides: 4 per 100,000 people.
Now, we'll move onto nation which took the guns away from their populace:
Brazil: 20 per 100,000 people.
El Salvador: 26 per 100,000 people.
Guatemala: 29 per 100,000 people.
Honduras: 66 per 100,000 people.
Jamaica: 30 per 100,000 people.
Venezuela: 39 per 100,000 people.
The people of Brazil are demanding that their government give them their guns back and the government is considering it.
Our law enforcement is largely a "reactionary-force." They arrive "after" you are already the victim of a crime. You are the first responder to the crime and whether you live or die, could very well rest in your having a firearm. The cops only arrive to gather evidence and try to find out who the rapist, murderer or, robber is, while you are simply put in a bag and headed to the morgue.
If the law-abiding populace were forced to give up their fire-arms, the drug dealers, muggers, gang-bangers, organized crime members, rapists, bank robbers, home-invasion criminals, psychotics, et cetera, would not turn in their illegally gotten firearms, make additional home-made ones and be happier as they would no longer be concerned about whether a home-owner has a firearm in the house to defend her/himself.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So we are better, you are saying, than the gun crazy Caribbean and its Rim?

And a whole lot worse than the UK.

Got it.

 

[Maxdeath]

Thank you 2aguy for proving just how effective, much more so than the US, are the laws in England, Wales, and Scotland.

And the fact that you can't tell that banning and confiscating guns did nothing to decrease their gun murder rates is pretty much indicative that the truth, facts and reality have no home in your brain...

We kill a lot. Them, not so much. We should do what they are doing.

And yet London now has a ban on knives in the streets. Their death rate overtook New York City. You don't seem to understand that one way or another someone who wants to kill will kill. A man in China was arrested for stabbing 22 people.
Funny that you clowns don't want to confiscate airplanes because of the 3000 killed by airplanes on 9/11.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yet the UK has shown how effective such laws are in cutting down gun murder rates.

They have 1/8th to 1/12th the US rates per ratio to per capita.

All readers should know that 2aguy is a paid hack for the gun lobby to troll the net.

So give us the numbers how many murders before they started passing gun laws in the 60s and how many after?

And why is it that you idiots think getting murdered with a gun is worse than getting murdered any other way?

The total murder rate in the UK did not ever dip lower than it was before they started their gun control in the 1960's

Ergo gun laws do not lower the murder rate.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Thank you 2aguy for proving just how effective, much more so than the US, are the laws in England, Wales, and Scotland.

FYI the UK has had a lower murder rate than the US since well before they started passing gun laws and gun bans because our societies are very different and there are many other variables in play than just gun laws

 

[Skull Pilot]

Thank you 2aguy for proving just how effective, much more so than the US, are the laws in England, Wales, and Scotland.

And the fact that you can't tell that banning and confiscating guns did nothing to decrease their gun murder rates is pretty much indicative that the truth, facts and reality have no home in your brain...

We kill a lot. Them, not so much. We should do what they are doing.

Yeah we should revert to a monarchy

The US and the UK are far from analogous in many variables that all effect the social order.
Saying it's just guns is simplistic at best and shows a degree of naivete that borders mental retardation

 

[JakeStarkey]

Skull Pilot, when 2aguy provided figures instead of , then we can offer the other figures and compare. It is his duty and needs to get to it. Why hasn't he? ....

 

[2aguy]

Skull Pilot, when 2aguy provided figures instead of View attachment 203495 , then we can offer the other figures and compare. It is his duty and needs to get to it. Why hasn't he? ....

I did, and they show that gun control did not change their gun murder rates..... while their gun crime rates are up 44% in London last year and up 23% across England and Wales......after banning and confiscating guns in 1997......

Meanwhile...as more Americans own and carry guns.... all types of gun crime and violent crime have gone down, not up, unlike Britain...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Issa]

What? You don't love England no more?

I love all of the gun grabbing nations....and hope that one day their people will also be free to use guns to stop rapists, robbers and killers......

the thing is... gun control is pointless even when the gun grabbers speak Italian.....

They dont have a lower IQ than gun lovers in the US. You can roam Europe and wont he at a gun shot, you can watch their local news and no gun crimes. Turn to local news in the US and its chaos.

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy is afraid to comparison compare in chart form because he'll kicks his own ass if he does.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy is afraid to comparison compare in chart form because he'll kicks his own ass if he does.

So I give you the actual number of murders by year...showing that murder didn't change in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns.... so now you are moving the goal post again......knowing that the gun murder rate in Britain was always low since their criminals did not murder their victims... they have guns, they don't commit murder with them.... the true measure of their gun control failure is the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain, after they banned and confiscated guns... and once their criminals decide to use those guns to commit murder, there is nothing they can do to lower those rates....since they already banned and confiscated guns.

 

[2aguy]

In the U.S.....

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

1976... population 218 million.... gun murder victims...11,979

2005... population 295.5 million... gun murder victims... 11,346

with more people buying and carrying guns........

Gun control doesn't lower the gun murder rate, law abiding gun owners with guns, and carrying them does not increase the gun murder rate....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.