Cecilie1200
Diamond Member
It’s not a straw man argument to call out your red herrings. The issue is, whether or not it is life. It’s like debating how to lower murder rates without debating whether or not murder is wrong, and instead saying murder is still gonna happen anyway. That’s a pretty good example of a red herring, and that’s exactly what your doing. And in this scenario, you don’t have to agree with all the propositions to reduce murder if you don’t think they’re going to work with evidence backing it up.Why would I respond to your issues? They’re all excuses not issues. Fetus is alive, you can’t change that no matter how many times you wish to. People are expected to be responsible for themselves correct?
Thank you for that brilliant, thoughtful and informative commentary. As always, you excel in your boost the level of intellectual discourse to the highest level. We can all learn so much from you. God bless.
Now, perhaps you would like to comment on the issues that I raised that can actually reduce the demand for abortion. Please tell us more about how pro life you are .
Are you just playing stupid games or do you really believe your own bullshit. Do you know what a straw man argument is...?? You just used that logical fallacy where you attribute an argument to me that I didn't make , and then refute it to claim victory. Where the fuck did I ever say that a fetus is not alive. ?
All of the things that I listed are in fact issue that can be used to reduce the need for abortion. That is my point that you refuse to deal with, but instead, keep bleating about the evils of abortion If you had any decency and intelligence, you would embrace them all. Apparently you have neither
The debate is not about whether the fetus is alive, the issue is by what right do you strip a woman of right to determine whether or not to bring this fetus to term. And you’re continually using the murder of the living as a comparison, which is a straw man because they’re aren’t the same thing and you know it.
You’ve lost the argument on every point you’ve posited to this point and this one isn’t going to work either.
When we want to prevent murders, we look at the causes of violence: poverty, lack of opportunity, easy availability of weapons, influence of gangs, lack of protection of vulnerable citizens. Because just making murder illegal doesn’t work.
Where have you suggested doing anything towards looking at the root causes of abortion and making changes in the poverty, lack of health care, lack of job protections for low wage workers, and lack of maternity leave to reduce abortions?
No, that's YOUR issue. As has been pointed out before, YOU are not the only person in this argument, nor do you get to arbitrarily define the debate parameters for both sides solely according to what YOU want to talk about. You and your self-absorbed "No one's concerns matter except what I say can matter!" attitude are the reason this is such a nasty, divisive battle, so congratulations and maybe try to pull your head out of your conviction that your point of view is the only point of view for five seconds.