Discussion in 'Politics' started by Blackrook, Sep 7, 2018.
we're a moral society who don't kill children. period end of story.
The only outcome of banning abortion is that some doctors and midwives will go to prison, and doctors will have a booming business in performing D & C's. Abortions will not stop. Aborting women will not go to prison. RW nuts will feel like they saved the world, when, of course, nothing has been done except give the federal government the right to control bodies of women, only.
Logic isn't your forte, is it? It doesn't matter how many occur, I am holding you to your own words. You stated that life doesn't begin until birth. According to your own logic, that makes it perfectly acceptable to kill a healthy, full-term baby, moments before birth. You just don't have the balls to admit it. Which leads me to believe that you don't actually believe your own evil position.
If it was actually true that life begins at birth and that women have the right to privacy, then that would apply throughout the entire pregnancy, even up until the very last moments. OBVIOUSLY that isn't the case. Only a sociopath would think otherwise.
And to answer your question, I'm not ignoring the rights of the mother. Does a mother have the right to kill a newborn baby? Or a toddler, or a child? No, because nobody has the right to take an innocent human life. The difference between proaborts and prolifers is that we correctly recognize that the baby in the womb is a human being, and as innocent as it gets. You base humanity on location, which is absurd and ignorant.
That is why we have been telling you over and over and over that this entire debate hinges on when human life begins. It doesn't hinge on bodily autonomy, privacy or anything like that. That is easily demonstrated to be false, by my example above. That is why you won't directly answer the question, because you know it.
If I'm not mistaken, about 20 weeks. But Dragonlady stated that she thinks life doesn't begin until birth and that women have the right to privacy throughout the entire pregnancy, so according to her, it is acceptable to kill a baby many weeks older and more developed than that one in the photo.
And just to remind you guys, premature babies have survived outside of the womb as early as 21 weeks. So Dragonlady's position makes it acceptable to kill babies OLDER than those premature babies at the local neonatal unit...The only difference? Location.
Stop with your bullshit.
I said that according to the law and from the dawn of time, life begins at birth. Let’s stick with reality and not your fanciful notions which have no basis in law or in fact.
I’m not going to dignify your stupid questions about aborting a healthy fetus one day before birth. Your making up ridiculous scenarios to try to support your belief that abortion should be illegal st some point in the pregnancy.
Abortion should be a matter between a woman and her doctor. AT ALL TIMES.
In 1989, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that Canada’s abortion law was unconstitutional. There has been no abortion law in Canada since that time.
Canadian women can go to the doctor at any time during their pregnancy and request an abortion. And our government funded health care will pay for it.
We don’t have employers complaining that using their tax dollars to pay for abortions violates their religious beliefs. The Catholic Church pays for health care which fund contraceptives and abortions, as do all churches, and not once have they complained.
Your government is allowing employers to bully employees over what their health insurance covers and other things that are really none of their business and they should not be allowed to control.
Pro-choice allows everyone to make their own choices based on their own religion and their own beliefs. If you believe an abortion is wrong, simply don’t have one.
Not only is that false, but you are being intellectually dishonest, because you can't be foolish enough to believe that laws are always correct and always constitute truth. The law once said that blacks were 3/5 a person and that slavery was legal, did it being legal make it right? You probably won't answer that, but since we both know the answer to that question, your point above is moot. It doesn't matter what the law currently says, since man-made laws do not constitute actual truth.
No, you won't answer it because you don't have the cajones to stand by your own position. It's not a stupid question at all, I'm holding you to your own words and your own logic. The example shows that your logic doesn't hold up, but you're so invested in your unyielding position, that you simply can't back down, so you refuse to answer the question. Sad.
Abortion is not healthcare, and as sakinago already explained to you, it's not a right. In the US, according to our own founding documents, ALL people are created equal, and have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Abortion goes against our own founding principles, and it cheapens human life, which ultimately is a recipe for disaster.
What may or may not have happened in the future doesn't matter, though. If a fetus, before a certain stage of development, is not a person, is in fact an extension of the mother's body, how can the fetus be murdered?
People it is simple, there is but one question, is a fetus alive?
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