Israeli Germany?

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    Does it not make sence that instead of the Jews fighting & killing the British after they liberated them in 1945, for the lands of the Palestinians that they instead partition Germany? This was the suggestion put forward by the Saudi Arabian leader at the time & rings true today. I can hardly see wealthy Germans in their BMWs wanting to suicide bomb any Israel formed from German lands. However, the Israelies refused to listen to the apparent wiser Brits & instead chose to kill their soldiers!
    Now history is repeating itself with the British (along with the world, excl. US) advising Israel not to build a security wall in someone else's country (technically speaking its all Palestine), if it wasn't the most obvious thing anyway. Blatently they should build it in the Israel defined in 1947 by the UN so as not to infruiate people, anyone could work that out. And the defence that Israelies live in Palestinian lands & so need to be deffended is utter nonsence, go and move back to Israel proper!
    There is absolutely no conceivable moral defence for occupying Palestine including the suggestion that all the Jews left in search for the promise land. The Jews of today are merely another European people, thats what happens when you live in Europe for thousands of years. One can tell by the colour of the Palestinian & surrounding nation's skin compared to the white Israelies that they have an extremely diluted claim to their lands.
    I do not however hope to convinced any Israelies of this (other than those who are liberal minded) just as the world hasn't been able to.



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    So the Israelis should just bend over backwards to appease the Palestianian Arabs? They should go back to their non-congruous borders of 1948, even though they won the other land in wars in which they were attacked?

    I think you have been listening to too many PLO and Hezbollah broadcasts.
     
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    The Palestinians had bent over backwards to appease the Israelis, they were bullied into giving up the land by the UN. No one believes that the European Jews managed to be liberated from the Germans and then occupy the 1948 boarders by themselves. Instead they were helped by the Allies to be given there freedom & then pressured the UN with the sympathy vote to forced the Palestianians to give them the land. If it hadn't been for the Allies they would be all dead, so I'm not sure where you are comming from with this victory idea "even though they won " its far from bieng that straightforward. Had it been that Israel colonised Palestine with their own military & weapons (not US) than maybe you could make that argument. Also you say "which they were attacked?" how were they able to attack Israel when before 1948 it was 98% Palestinian, was it that they seized Palestianian lands. I thnk those land owners would have a different take. How can you suggest that Israel can righfully take Palestianian lands by force?
    As for your snub I have never heard a "PLO" or "Hezbollah" broadcast in my life I have merely researched the matter indepthly as should anyone else before they question what I have said for its all factual. Besides I question whether they would be so historical.



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    Interesting observation. The Jewish Brigades also fought alongside the British and allies against Germany and the Nazis. Would the British government have partitioned Israel if those same Jews did not subtly urge the Brits to leave their English colony in Israel? The Jews then had a land to return to after the British saw the light and went back to England. Does that answer your Arab Saudi leader statement put forward as time and reality proves false?

    Well it seems the German people just this week wanted to and voted in the UN to continue the suicide bombing in Israel by their vote against the fence that keeps the Arabs from killing innocent babies, women and men.

    Premise errors: Brits wiser than the Jews; Jewish people fought against and were killed by the Brits who colonized their 3 eon old land of Israel.

    Whose country did you say (technically speaking the Arabs) was building a 'security wall' to protect itself from alien Arabs living in a recognized world democracy? Could you please give proof that Israel was ever an Arab country with recognized borders, a constitution or a valid government! Did you say that the entire world (excluding the US) voted against Israel building a wall to protect itself from foreigners squatting on Jewish lands? The countries voting with the United States were Palau, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Australia and of course Israel. So you are wrong again. What a surprise.

    What people (specifically the Muslim world) were never infuriated or that anyone could not work out for themselves? Could you give a date or a valid document that made Israel a land of Palestinians? Should America go back to England because they captured and moved the Indian peoples off of their ancesteral land into small closed reservations? Who exactly gave you the authority to DEFINE the borders of Israel proper? Possibly you mean in the Mediterranian sea?

    The Jews originated for the city of Ur in the Chaldees but moved to the land of Israel some 3,316 years ago. They captured this land by the rules of war on more than one occasion. The Jews have lived in Europe but were killed and expelled from those countries as well as all the rest of the nations in which they lived. Now they have returned to their own land, captured and recaptured it fairly and squarely from the surrounding country armies.

    Now this entire land belongs to the Jews by right of conquest just like every other country in the entire world. So skin color determines ownership and because they are white instead of olive skin toned, they should leave their lands. You are brilliant.... Who diluted you to irrelevancy?

    You really mean that you can't convince any Israeli people (other than the mentally disabled) to leave the land that their youth spilled their blood on to recover their 3 eon long land ownership.

    How about you trying to convince the Arab world to move to the antartic where they can find themselves fighting and killing one another in the name of the two nephews of the last great prophet Muhammad!

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    Mike Billy Bryson (Muslim without papers) says Allahu Akbar....

    He lies in the name of Allah the moon-rock-god. Recognize your Al-Taqiyya taechnique Muslim?
     
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    Mike is my real name, Bill Bryson is a famous writer whose name I use as an allias to sign up for messageboards etc. I'm from Briton & thats why I have a pro British stance which I had thought was obvious but never mind. I don't have any Muslim blood & I haven't a clue what a "Al-Taqiyya taechnique" is. But personally I find it that to be a racist slur for you suggest my argument would be compromised by believing in a different religion!?! Ok then...
     
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    British Bill you say? The British are serving in Iraq and fighting those same peaceful Islamics that you seem to extol.

    What is the official pro-British stance? Is that the one of Tony Blair, the Church of England or the Queen?

    You are simply another troll Islamist spouting the lies as authoritized by your British bible the Qur'an.

    For you British Muslims who march in your streets against the Blair government. Here is what you use for deceit.

    http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

    Many Muslims live in England while speaking English also speak with the forked tongue you so readily display Mr. Bill......
     
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    I noted that you failed to address my post. I guess that fact is sufficient to prove exactly who you are and not who you pretend to be.
     
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    http://www.lawrenceofarabia.info/

    AJ---brush up on your history-- you will find the discussions regarding the partioning of Palestine interesting !

    "In this situation, Clayton argued, Britain would have to maintain a costly army of occupation in Palestine and, 'by definitely alienating Arab sentiment,'9 would also incur very unfavourable consequences for British interests and influence in the Arabian Peninsula and even Mesopotamia.

    This led to a conclusion which few British politicians at that time would have found palatable: if Britain did not take both Palestine and Syria, she should take neither of them: 'If France must have Syria it would be preferable that America, or some Power other than Great Britain or France, be given the Mandate for Palestine.' Clayton continued: 'The alternative is to offer to France such inducement as will lead her to renounce her claims in Syria, and to give to some other Power the mandate for both Syria and Palestine. It is only thus that a compromise might be arrived at, between Arab aspirations for a united and autonomous Syria and Zionist demands for a Jewish Commonwealth in Palestine . . . In these circumstances the Power entrusted with the Mandate can only be America or Great Britain.'10

    As the weeks passed, it became increasingly clear that Clayton was right. Both the British and American Delegations could foresee the additional difficulties which would face the Zionist programme in Palestine if the Arabs were alienated in Syria. Yet there was one immovable factor which prevented a satisfactory solution: namely the attitude of France. "
     
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    First point about the Jewish Brigades this had the same influence on UK as the Russain invloement to the British opinion of Communism. partioned Israel/Palestine they instead handed the problem over to the United Nations as their LoN mandate required. While the Saudi Arabian comment (get them the right way round, smacks of American ignorance) still rings true for if they were given the best bit of Germany then they would still have a homeland to return to.

    While the comment about Germany is rediculous, they voted for the wall to be moved back to Israeli land its not theirs or anyone else's thought that Israel chooses to flaunt these boarders & to live within Palestinian lands. If I go & squat in your garden I wouldn't be allowed to anex a portion by building a fence!?!

    "Premise errors" "colonized their 3 eon old land of Israel" I think you'll find that Israel/Palestine was occupied by the several Turkish empires since the Romans until WW1. Indeed Britain was given a LoN mandate to stay there until 1948, that would be like suggesting the US was colonising Bosnia. lol. So I'm not sure how these Jews managed to get killed, especially seeing as they weren't living in Palestine at the time of British rule. But please do enlighten me.

    You have taken my "(technically speaking the Arabs)" comment out of context perhaps I should of put "Arab's" so meaning Israel or the lands of was Palestinian. While the proof that Israel/Palestine was ever an Arab country can be found in any history of Israel I don't think you will find anyone who would deny Israel has only been in existance since 1948.

    I correct my self when I say the entire world we mustn't forget Palau (former US), Micronesia (former US), Marshall Islands (former US AGAIN) & Austrailia. So I forgot 3 US satalite nations, & Austrailia while it was obvious that I hadn't meant Israel so thats 26 million that I forgot to offset agaisnt the other 6.1 billion (US taken into account). Is it just me or was that spliting hairs on your point, "So you are wrong again" lol do you have to resort to that petty level to make your point!?!

    I suppose the time when everyone living in the current Israel were Palestinian would be the date say arround thousand+ years ago, just to be on the safe side. But as soon as 1948 they (Jews) were still a minute minority.

    This point I utterly agree with you: "Should America go back to England because they captured and moved the Indian peoples off of their ancesteral land into small closed reservations." And that I believe is to be applied here as "Should Palestine go back to the West Bank & Gaza strip because they captured & moved the Palestinian peoples off of their ancesterel land into small refugee camps." Hoist on your own petard.

    First of all have I broken a law by which I need to seek permission to define Israel Proper? Well if there is such a law I'm alright because I never did define it, so if you were really pathetic (ie. yourself) than you could interpret it as the current Palestianian land occupied. I did however mean the Isreali boarders of 1948. That is the sillest comment I have ever heard to be honest, first of all its flawed & secondry I never even did it!!! "gave you the authority to DEFINE the borders of Israel proper."

    "Possibly you mean in the Mediterranian sea?" No mate read it carefully "Israel defined in 1947 by the UN" Capesh?

    "The Jews originated for the city of Ur in the Chaldees but moved to the land of Israel some 3,316 years ago. They captured this land by the rules of war on more than one occasion. The Jews have lived in Europe but were killed and expelled from those countries as well as all the rest of the nations in which they lived. Now they have returned to their own land, captured and recaptured it fairly and squarely from the surrounding country armies."

    Oh right so the Jews went from having all their poessions taken away & reduced tojust having the clothes on their backs (European) to capturing a country protected by the larest Empire ever to exist. All from having no guns or weapons, that sounds pretty impressive to me. Or was it that they "fairly" procured weapons from the Americans to fight the poorly equiped arab nations. Either that or the American made Israeli airforce magically appeared. No indeed it was America armed Israel to give it an unfair advantage.

    "Now this entire land belongs to the Jews by right of conquest just like every other country in the entire world. So skin color determines ownership and because they are white instead of olive skin toned, they should leave their lands. You are brilliant.... Who diluted you to irrelevancy?"

    Can't remember saying leave their lands, I did say occupy the original Palestianian lands seized in 1947 & be happy with that. "defined in 1947 by the UN ."

    So you think its natural that a white people should so happen to live in the middle of several olive toned nations. The sun decided not to tan those people living within the Israeli boarders who poessed an Israeli passport. No it because your average "Jew" is indeed European. Do me a favour...

    "convince any Israeli people " Interesting English & you're disputing me bieng British lol. "youth spilled their blood" a lot of German blood was spilt durring WW2 should we give them their lebensraum.

    "How about you trying to convince the Arab world to move to the antartic where they can find themselves fighting and killing one another in the name of the two nephews of the last great prophet Muhammad!"

    Ok then...!?! More Stereotypical American Ignorance?

    You need to check up on your History before you dispute what I have said, not just search for the origions of Israel on the net ""The Jews originated for the city of Ur in the Chaldees but moved to the land of Israel some 3,316 years ago." Better luck next time! :slap:
     

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