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Discussion in 'Israel and Palestine' started by Publius, Jun 4, 2004.

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    People in this country need to ask tough questions, the right ones. Zionists have wanted to take Palestine for decades because of their religious belief that it should belong to them. Palestinians and more importantly muslims in general have been in conflict with Zionists as far back as you want to go. Accordingly, a majority of muslims dislike jews and those who support jews, much the same way this country dislikes terrorists. Since the U.S. supports Israel many muslims have bad feelings toward us, which begs the question:why do we support this state?

    Some say b/c it's a democracy...but surely we would dump other dem. states if it meant avoiding another 9/11

    Some say it's history, we've always done it since the state was founded......
    when do we cut losses? why embroil half a population of the middle east for the sake of repetition?

    It can't be b/c of economic aid or trade w/ Israel, unless they're offering a great price on sand.

    Why?
     
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    if they don't like us because we support Israel's right to exist, fuck em.

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    Israel's right to exist, or her right to expand? F**K em'? That's worked thus far...
    You would rather "F**K em" (i assume "em" refers to the entire middle eastern community) but why?
    Pride? As in the U.S. couldn't possibly be wrong?
    Again; rather than address any issue whatsoever, or attempt to find justificaiton for our support, you have expunged the sum of your knowledge in two simple words.

    I'm proud of you.
     
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    And you do it in 30000 words with no proof or substantive meaning.

    Prove Biblical justification to be wrong.
     
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    Prove Biblical justification to be wrong.

    Sorry about the 30,000 words; didn't know reading was a problem for you.

    No proof or substantive meaning?
    While the accuser becomes the accused I take note of the fact that when one is utterly defeated (or ignorant, or uninformed) one does not answer "tough questions" like those I posed to you.
    Despite posting twice, you have FAILED to even attempt to answer my question.

    Biblical justification for Israel?
    Surely you are so right, it couldn't be wrong. Which bible are you going from...they must all be right. So what about other religious justifications? Should we accept religion as fact? Which ones? Islam? Christianity? Judaism? Nazisim was spawned from the Christian Socialist movement who devoutly followed their Bible; if biblical justification is absolute, we are idiots.

    I do believe that we were supposed to be discussing U.S. support and why; but since you can't hold a line of thought....

    I think the Bible speaks of the Zionist return to Jerusalem, not Israel. I admittedly could be wrong on this and for the sake of your intellectual pride I hope I am. I certainly don't know my Bible as well as some.

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    I think you are misreading what he is saying. What he is saying is if people who want to commit genocide dont like us, who cares?
     
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    Take your best shot. Pubes? Publius...is the name that Madison, Jay, and Hamilton wrote the Federalist papers under. People graduating public high schools everywhere have learned this. Really no attitude here; thanks for not addressing the post's question.

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    I think you misread the post's question. I asked for justification for U.S. support for Israel. So far I have nothing even resembling a coherent argument to rebut here.
    Genocide? Where did that come from. Muslims are genocidal? Put your waders on boys cuz it's gettin' deep in here.

    My point, gentlemen is simple. Why upset an entire region for the sake of a country which offers NOTHING.

    All I want, is a justification. Simple, easy, right? Not hard.
     
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    Why not?

    Because they share our values.

    Because they were a bulwark against communist expansion.

    Because they represent a permanent foothold in the oil rich middle east.

    Because they are our friend.

    If a bully told you to stop being friends with someone or he would punch you again, what would you do?
     
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    Ok. Please go back to video game land. Why the need for justification? B/C that's what the post is about, that's what I asked for, if you don't have anything remotely intelligent to say about it; YOU ARE IN THE WRONG ROOM! GO FIND A CHAT ABOUT FANTASY, FICTION, VIDEOGAMES, it's more your style. If that was your best shot, stay home. Thanks for regulating though, we needed that.

    SIRRRRRR EVILLLLL!
    Is that something from dungeons and dragons? Wow. You belong here. You have a lot of intelligent things to say.
     

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