Israel: Threat to NPT?

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    Source: UN nuclear watchdog: Israel's 'perceived double-standard' hurts NPT - Haaretz - Israel News

    I think this brings up a good point that has not been discussed on this board (since I've been here) - Israeli nukes outside of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. From this point of view, Israel is a rogue state... And... it is also making discussion between the IAEA (UN) and Iran difficult as Iran's using the case of Israel's non-compliance with the global treaty as one of its main arguments...
     
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    Israel never signed the NPT. Nor did Pakistan or India, both of which are nuclear powers.
     
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    But Iran DID.
     
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    Yep.

    And Israel is the only nuclear power in the region but they wont admit it.
     
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    ElBaradei was being region-specific... You're right, India and Pakistan also have 'em and are outside NPT.
     
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    Has that not been discussed? It's certainly a topic that serves attention, especially considering that Israel developed nuclear weaponry in the same covert manner that the U.S. government now accuses Iran of doing. More than that, there was a conscious strategy by the Israelis to conceal weapons from American inspectors, a plot in which even Prime Minister Levi Eshkol is alleged to have been complicit.
     
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    Israel developed nuclear weapons over 50 years ago. It's a moot discussion at this point. Israel being a nuclear power today is irrelevant. It does not threaten to wipe Jordan or Egypt off of the map. Iran, however; threatens its neighbors almost daily. If Iran threatens to wipe a country off of the map and it's developing nuclear weapons... well, gee, maybe that's not a good combination and we should do something about it.

    I wholeheartedly support Israel's right to defend itself. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Iran won't attack Israel once it develops nukes. A small range 4 or 5 megaton nuke on Tel Aviv won't cross over into Gaza and the West Bank is too far and it's big enough to do a lot of damage and kill a lot of people. We have to believe that that is Iran's main goal and act on it. Iran MUST be stopped at all costs. Obama has tried to engage them in diplomacy, which I absolutely commend. But they have slapped his hand away like a child. Now thatn we've got Netanyahu, it's time to show Iran why it's a bad idea to develop nuclear weapons and threaten Israel.
     
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    I'm afraid this point is flagrantly inaccurate. To be honest, I'm somewhat appalled that the mistranslated version of Ahmadinejad's speech is still referenced today; it's grown awfully repetitive, much like reports that Hugo Chavez "shut down opposition media."

    As I've repeated so many times before, the claim that he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" is a mistranslation and distortion of his statement. Ahmadinejad's remarks are reported as having been "een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad," or "[Ayatollah Khomeini] said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must [vanish from] the page of time."

    It is first notable that he did not reference Israel, but the regime in current occupation of Jerusalem. He was referring to the current government of Israel, not the citizenry of Israel or Jewish people in general. In fact, Ahmadinejad has expressed support for the Jewish people (as indicated by his meeting with Neturei Karta, for instance), while at the same time condemning Israeli policies. He has said that, "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish." Ahmadinejad also said that Jews lived in Iran and were represented by the Parliament. Yet, as we know, anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are often conflated by pro-Israel lobbies for political gain, and even mere opposition to Israeli policies is often mendaciously depicted as anti-Semitic in nature.

    Next, the phrase "wiped off the map" suggests a hostile military threat, while the phrase "vanish from the page of time" merely expresses a desire that the interventionist Israeli government will eventually lose power and influence. Ahmadinejad has explicitly opposed military action against Israel, declaring, "I assure you... there won't be any war in the future." He has also said that "there is no need for any measures by the Iranian people" to bring about the end of the "Zionist regime" in Israel. Supreme Leader Ali Khameini also said that Iran "will not commit aggression against any nation." The distortion of his claims is essentially equivalent to claiming that Americans who opposes the Bush regime and its policies were calling for its violent overthrow, which is obviously untrue.

    Yet Shimon Peres, the current president of Israel, responded by saying, "the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map." This was reported by essentially no one because the Western media has a pro-Israel bias.

    Unsurprisingly, their continued possession of an unauthorized and undeclared arsenal has provoked an instigation of an arms race in the region, which is the driving force behind the desire for nuclear weapons from certain elements in Iran. It's not likely that they'll exist anytime soon, of course, considering the religiously serious nature of Supreme Leader Khameini's fatwa against them, but it should surprise no one that a desire for them exists. As to Netanyahu, he is and always has been somewhat incompetent if not outright obstructive (the nature of his conduct in the suspension of the Wye Agreement may be considered, for instance), so he'll likely be more of a hindrance than a help to the general state of affairs.
     
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    In our world of contracts and word play over common sense, this is a damn good point.

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    Indeed. It's an obvious indication that the opposition to their nuclear program is unfounded, inasmuch as they possess a right to develop nuclear energy under the terms of the NPT.
     

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