Israel 'back of the bus' rule sparks religious row

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    Tue, Jan 15 03:11 PM

    Every time Israeli student Iris Yoffe takes the bus to Jerusalem, she has to be ready for abuse from ultra-Orthodox Jews who say she should be kept off because she's wearing trousers.

    Assuming she makes it onto the bus at all -- on several occasions groups of Orthodox men have tried to block the door -- Yoffe, 24, heads for the "women's section" at the back of the bus, keeps her head down and tries to ignore the insults.

    "I end up feeling helpless and humiliated, like an outsider," said Yoffe, whose public bus from her home in northern Israel to Jerusalem has separate male and female seating because it runs through an ultra-Orthodox community.

    A row over Israel's buses underscores the schism between its ultra-Orthodox minority -- who believe women should don long skirts and stay away from men in public -- and those who want to keep the country, and its public transport system, secular.

    The controversy started several years ago when, in order to compete with private firms, Israel's publicly funded bus companies introduced separate seating on some routes through Orthodox areas. Women who board these buses sit at the back.

    In theory, wearing a skirt and sitting in the women's section is voluntary, but several secular women including a well-known author have reported being abused and even attacked for not doing so.

    RULING THIS WEEK

    Israel's High Court is expected to rule this week on a petition by a group of women who want the government and public bus companies either to stop the "mehadrin" lines or to provide alternative buses on those routes.

    "The partition between men and women is being taken from the synagogue into public spaces," said Anat Hoffman, head of the Israel Religious Action Center (IRAC), the advocacy arm of the Reform Judaism movement, which helped bring the lawsuit.

    Hoffman is worried that "partition" could make further inroads into public life, saying one post office in an Orthodox neighbourhood has separate waiting lines for men and women.

    A transport ministry spokesman said the bus seating system was voluntary and it was up to the public companies to address any violence the rules provoked.

    A spokesman for Israel's biggest bus company, Egged -- which has previously said it runs about 30 public mehadrin lines -- could not be reached on Monday.

    The Orthodox Jewish Media Resources group said separate seating helped men resist the temptation to ogle women but acknowledged that mehadrin lines should only run on routes where the vast majority of passengers are religious.

    "Without exception, the rules should not be enforced by individual passengers," said Jonathan Rosenblum, who is also a commentator and acts as a spokesman for the Orthodox community.

    U.S.-born novelist Naomi Ragen, one of the women behind the High Court petition, said she was insulted and physically threatened when she accidentally boarded a mehadrin bus and refused to move to the back. Another woman was reported to have been spat at and beaten for refusing to move.

    Ragen, herself an Orthodox Jew, described the incidents on her website as "bullying women in the name of God".


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    oh looky.. One more thing for the zionists to ignore while diffusing criticism of israel by blaming muslim nation who have never claimed to be Western. Gosh, that halo sure is without spot or blemish!
     
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    Is that an official government position? Nope... and they should make sure it stops.

    Now, how 'bout this?:

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/opt1106/5.htm

    Nah... the pals do it, must be ok. :clap2:
     
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    Gosh, PALS sure do claim to be a "WESTERN DEMOCRACY" all the time too, don't they? It sure didn't take long for "One more thing for the zionists to ignore while diffusing criticism of israel by blaming muslim nation who have never claimed to be Western." did it?


    Go ahead and ignore the reality of your zionist teddy bear, Jill. After all, the mantra is "Israel, wrong or right", isn't it? i guess you missed the following line:

    The controversy started several years ago when, in order to compete with private firms, Israel's publicly funded bus companies introduced separate seating on some routes through Orthodox areas. Women who board these buses sit at the back.


    so, yes, i guess it IS israeli public policy. But, don't let that keep you from redirecting any and all criticism by pointing at a muslim. Lord knows how palestine has everything to do with the israeli government letting it's uber jewish orthodox require social segregation. Hey, maybe you can talk some shit on burkah wearing chick in iran as if it's anything other than a diversion next! We all sure do know that muslims treating women like shit means that jews can do the same thing, RIGHT? After all, pointing out how the fairweather Westernish nation in the mid east rationalizes it's own bullshit probably ISN'T made clear by your very own post.

    nope. It must be the rampant jooo hating antisemitism rearing it's head again... Didnt you know? Yahoo.com and Reuters fucking HATE jews. Thats gotta be it.
     
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    how racist of you not thinking that palestinians are civilized enough to be held to the same standards as Israelis. I think you're demeaning them by thinking they're not in the same league.

    As for the buses... first, I HATE orthodox religion of any stripe because it's notoriously unfair to women. second, there will always be a tension in Israel between religious and secular jews. Orthodox men and women don't sit near each other and don't touch. They sit separately in temple, too. And the areas that these buses go through are largely chasidic areas.

    Is it right? Like I said, I wouldn't want to live that way. But I also think it's not such a big deal that people should get het up about it -- unless of course you look for excuses to hate jews. It's not like it's okay for men to beat women... you know, like your pal friends.
     
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    Why to you bother even responding to Shogun? he is ignorant and bigotted on this issue. He is an apologist for the murderous Pals while demanding that Jews just take it. He isn't worth the time of day , though responses should be made to counter his moronic drivel for those unsure or uneducated, for sure.
     
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    Well, you're right, of course. And I generally opt out of discussions on this issue with him but sometimes things just need responding to, as you said.
     
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    Its pretty funny that Israeli Jews and Israel itself has become a mirror image of Nazi Germany...
     
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    It is pretty funny when tards make such ridiculous claims. Sad but funny.
     
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    Your such a dimwit...

    And would you please stop using the term retarded... Your an inconsiderate two faced son of a bitch thats for sure...

    There are Mentaly and phisically challenged people that would not appreciate your constant pokes at their disabilities...

    Then again after reading your posts there is a stong chance you are one of the mentally challenged.... and that being the case I will give you a pass...
     
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    You are a liar, Alucard. Your statement has no connection with reality and what is worse, you know it. One wonders about the motivation of a person that could make such a remark. Explain in detail, Alucard the liar, how the only democracy in the Middle East, the only country there with a free press, is a "mirror image of Nazi Germany."
     
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