Isn't America better than this?

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    The Torture Tape Fingering Bush As a War Criminal by Andrew Sullivan

    "A former FBI agent who was involved in the interrogation, Daniel Coleman, said last week that the CIA knew Al-Qaeda’s leaders all believed Zubaydah “was crazy, and they knew he was always on the damn phone. You think they’re going to tell him anything?” Even though preliminary, legal interrogation gave the US good - though not unique - information, the CIA still asked for and received permission to torture him in pursuit of more data and leads.

    The Washington Post reported that “current and former officials” said the torture lasted weeks and even, according to some, months, and that the techniques included hypothermia, long periods of standing, sleep deprivation and multiple sessions of waterboarding. All these “alternative procedures”, as Bush described them, are illegal under US law and the Geneva conventions. They are, in fact, war crimes. And they were once all treated by the US as war crimes when they were perpetrated by the Nazis. Waterboarding has been found to be a form of torture in various American legal cases.

    And that is where the story becomes interesting. The Bush administration denies any illegality at all, insists it does not “torture” but refuses to say whether it believes waterboarding is torture or not. But hundreds of hours of videotape were recorded of Zubaydah’s incarceration and torture. That evidence would settle the dispute over the extremely serious question of whether the president of the United States authorized war crimes.

    And now we have found out that all the tapes have been destroyed."

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/24/5985/
     
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    You left-wingbots just never give up the chant, do you?
     
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    Eots,

    You'll find your post is now a thread in "Conspiracy Theories." Give it a rest huh?
     
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    you really cant handle the truth can you ? its shameful really... you want to debate the circumstances surrounding tonkin ? or are you CHICKEN !!!!!
     
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    Chicken?:rofl:

    No, I don't want to debate the circumstances surrounding the Gulf of Tonkin Incident in a thread about torture. Neither does anyone else. HINT-FUCKING-HINT, moron.
     
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    "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Wendell Phillips

    "But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government." Andrew Jackson

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
     
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    apparently I am not allowed to comment on the issue of torture or it will be cut and pasted and retitled....for on the island of the monkeys some truths where never spoken so I said nothing.......
     
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    Truth is now and has been for some time a "conspiracy" issue with the neocons.


    Learn to live with it.
     
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    It has already been determined that you know nothing more about the Gulf Of Tonkin or the Viet Nam War other than heresay, gunny.


    Just why do you continue to project yourself as some kind of authority?
     
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    Whats your point???... These dirtbags have no rights under the geneva convention or under American law...

    Torture them till they talk... Then kill em for fun... Better yet let the families of the victims of 9-11 do it!
     

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