Islam: Religion of Vegeance and Violence...

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    Im bored and figured i'd start a holy war.

    Many on this board before me have shown why Islam is not a Religion of Peace. Instead of going into long deep examples of how Muhhammed was a pedophile or some random arab killed his family, i'll let the text of the Koran speak for itself.

    Opening Chapter



    Thy wrath established.

    Second chapter (not the whole thing).



    Unlike the Bible or the Torah (pretty much the same as far as Old testement goes), the Koran's early chapters lay out the groundwork for unbelievers to be punished. Your main incentive to being in this religion is that you wont be killed.

    Chapter 8



    An all-loving God as that of the Christians and Jews? I dont think so. A god that gave free-will to his people? Free-subordination is more like it.
     
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    Kill the males and rape the virgins!:
    "When you march up to attack a city, first offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you, all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor. But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you battle ... put every male in it to the sword. But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; (Deuteronomy 20:10-17).

    "The Lord said to Moses, "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people." So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the Lord's vengeance on them. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the Lord in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the Lord's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    The Lord said to Moses, "You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured. Divide the spoils between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether persons, cattle, donkeys, sheep or goats. Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord's part. From the Israelites' half, select one out of every fifty, whether persons, cattle, donkeys, sheep, goats or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord's tabernacle."

    So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses. The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man. The half share of those who fought in the battle was: 337,500 sheep, of which the tribute for the LORD was 675; 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72; 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61; 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the Lord was 32." (Numbers 31)

    During the Bosnia war in 1992, the Christain Serbs did exactly the same to the Bosnian Muslims. Tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslim women were brutally raped (as young as six years old child to as old as 60 years old woman) and almost 200,000 people died. The Christian Serbs were following the bible word by word.

    Kill even infants

    "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

    "And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." (Deuteronomy 2:34)

    "And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves." (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)

    King David's Holocaust
    "And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under the axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem." (II Samuel 12:31)

    David, a great leader of the Israelites, slaughtering captives after the cessation of hostilities. From what high moral ground should we admire this action?

    Raping And Killing

    "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

    How some people who believe in an infallible Bible can accept these verses as God inspired? Killing children? Raping women?


    If somebody believes that Jesus is God, then is not Jesus responsible for all these atrocities? FOOD FOR THOUGHT.


    What did Jesus say?"the man who they assumed that he was killed for the sins of the mankind though your book says that no one should be killed for the sins of the other'' i shouldnt kill you cause ur brother lied for example... any way ,, this is what Jesus said

    But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Luke 19:27)

    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I am come to SET A MAN AT VARIANCE AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND THE DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND THE DAUGHTER IN LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER IN LAW. And a MAN'S FOES SHALL BE THEY OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD." (Matthew 10:34-36)
    "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke 22:36)

    "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
     
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    Arabian, I notice you had no defense for your religion, only an attack on Christianity (which I will be able to refute later). So are you implying that Islam is truly violent by nature?
     
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    First off, you use OT verses to bolster your claims against Christianity... well, the OT is still viewed valid by the Muslims right? You forget the NT trumps the OT for Christians. And your references from the NT are totally taken out of context. Jesus' points were many, but mainly he was commenting on what will happen AFTER Him. Many will not want to accept Him and therefore, they will turn against those that do.
     
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    actually bro
    i tried so hard to gave you lots of sites to know the true meaning of Jihad,, and about palestinians and Iraqis'
    and i talked alot about this point,, so i did talk about this point lots before i dont want to be like a tabe ,, each time i repeate what i have said,,, im not a cockatoo

    and i said what in your book,, isnt your book say so,, i didnt made these verses up ,, it do exist in your book,,
    and i send your comment back to you ,, and ask you the same question...

    and something else,, why you didnt send this message to insien or the other who attaks the islam ,, is that because you are christian,, is that how you respect the other religions,,,

    once again this sites will help u to figure out the true meaning of Jihad,, and to know the right interpretation of the qur'an verses

    http://islam.about.com/od/jihad/
    http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=7059&TagID24
    http://www.submission.org/jihad/
    http://www.islam101.com/terror/
    http://www.submission.org/terrorism.html

    if you need more i could search for you
     
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    HAa
    i dont understand what u mean ,, sorry
    i cant get your point ,, arent these verses in your book or what
     
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    Curious……………..how many wars have been waged in the name of atheism or agnosticism?
     
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    The Soviet and Chinese Revolutions?
     
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    As I pointed out in another thread...

    1. Christ came and preached love, peace and salvation.

    2. Mohammed came and preached submission, hate and death.

    Christ NEVER led and army (unless you consider the apostles an army of God spreading the word of God - PEACEFULLY!).

    Mohammed led armies against his enemies (those that would not follow Islam) killing them.
     
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    What does it mean that the New Testament "trumps" the Old Testament? Did God change his mind? Was their simply new interpretation of data? Just looking for some claification.

    Every religion has seemingly contradictory passages. Even in the New Testament slavery is at least passively permitted; and people are still supposed to be stoned to death for certain sins, aren't they? These things shouldn't invalidate a religion's message. And Arabian is right, these are not necessarily the only, or the correct, translations or interpretations of the Qu'ran.
     

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