ISIS attacks on Hamas in the Gaza strip

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

Whoever thinks that the struggle between us is just a military one does not understand the issue. Hamas does everything in order to exhaust our society - that is part of their success. Hamas did everything in order to entangle us into using force against them in order to affect the next war.

"If Hamas was surprised by anything during Operation Protective Edge it was that we used aggressive force, more than they expected, because the likes of the Goldstone Report gave them a sense of security," said Turgeman.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- AND ---------------------------------------------------------------------​

(Recently, Hamas has been cracking down on the growing number of Islamic State-inspired extremist Salafi groups in Gaza. These groups seeks to replace Hamas and install an Islamic Caliphate in the Palestinian coastal enclave; ironically, they view Hamas as being too soft on Israel and failing to install Sharia law. Turgeman said that for Hamas, simply staying in power is viewed as a success. (Article Source: JNS.org News Service Insert)​

“For Hamas, the number of dead and amount of our attacks are not a measure of success or lack of success,” he said. “What matters is that it didn't lose and that it stayed in power.”
SOURCE: ONE and TWO

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas share common interests, and the Palestinian Islamists must stay in power in the Gaza Strip to prevent the enclave descending into chaos, an Israeli general was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas - Yahoo News

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

Whoever thinks that the struggle between us is just a military one does not understand the issue. Hamas does everything in order to exhaust our society - that is part of their success. Hamas did everything in order to entangle us into using force against them in order to affect the next war.

"If Hamas was surprised by anything during Operation Protective Edge it was that we used aggressive force, more than they expected, because the likes of the Goldstone Report gave them a sense of security," said Turgeman.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- AND ---------------------------------------------------------------------​

(Recently, Hamas has been cracking down on the growing number of Islamic State-inspired extremist Salafi groups in Gaza. These groups seeks to replace Hamas and install an Islamic Caliphate in the Palestinian coastal enclave; ironically, they view Hamas as being too soft on Israel and failing to install Sharia law. Turgeman said that for Hamas, simply staying in power is viewed as a success. (Article Source: JNS.org News Service Insert)​

“For Hamas, the number of dead and amount of our attacks are not a measure of success or lack of success,” he said. “What matters is that it didn't lose and that it stayed in power.”
SOURCE: ONE and TWO

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas share common interests, and the Palestinian Islamists must stay in power in the Gaza Strip to prevent the enclave descending into chaos, an Israeli general was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas - Yahoo News

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

Whoever thinks that the struggle between us is just a military one does not understand the issue. Hamas does everything in order to exhaust our society - that is part of their success. Hamas did everything in order to entangle us into using force against them in order to affect the next war.

"If Hamas was surprised by anything during Operation Protective Edge it was that we used aggressive force, more than they expected, because the likes of the Goldstone Report gave them a sense of security," said Turgeman.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- AND ---------------------------------------------------------------------​

(Recently, Hamas has been cracking down on the growing number of Islamic State-inspired extremist Salafi groups in Gaza. These groups seeks to replace Hamas and install an Islamic Caliphate in the Palestinian coastal enclave; ironically, they view Hamas as being too soft on Israel and failing to install Sharia law. Turgeman said that for Hamas, simply staying in power is viewed as a success. (Article Source: JNS.org News Service Insert)​

“For Hamas, the number of dead and amount of our attacks are not a measure of success or lack of success,” he said. “What matters is that it didn't lose and that it stayed in power.”
SOURCE: ONE and TWO

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas share common interests, and the Palestinian Islamists must stay in power in the Gaza Strip to prevent the enclave descending into chaos, an Israeli general was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas - Yahoo News

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

​

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

Not if they get too close to boundaries set for them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

Not if they get too close to boundaries set for them.

They were inside their own boundaries.

 

[Hossfly]

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

Not if they get too close to boundaries set for them.

They were inside their own boundaries.

Then they shoulda ducked.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This may be what you want to believe, but is less likely to be true.

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005.

(COMMENT)

Israel did leave Gaza in 2005. It gave the Hostile Arab Palestinians an opportunity to alter the face of Gaza. The Palestinians declined the opportunity and opted to create a battle zone.

That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians had an opportunity to create "a great place on the Mediterranean." Israel did NOT immediately create the containment program in 2005. During the period 2005 until the Block was raised in 2009, ---- HAMAS launched over 7000 rockets and mortars into Israel.

​

Rather than "create a great place on the Mediterranean," the Palestinians chose another option (Rocket and Mortars).

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

(COMMENT)

I don't make that leap. The more viable interpretation is that neither HAMAS or DAESH have the makings of a "better partner." Neither have demonstrated that they can build a society of any value to humanity or the regional community.

The valued outcome here is that one or the other --- eliminates the other --- as a threat to regional peace and security; and in the process weakens the surviving opponent. Then, without regards to which survives (HAMAS or DAESH) there is just but one with which remains to be contained and dealt with.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

(COMMENT)

I don't know what the Palestinian calls a "lie" --- let alone a "truth." So I have no real idea --- over the course of time (now and into the future) what Palestinian objectives and goals will evolve. It is very difficult to determine what such a Sharia Law State would make under an undefined leadership.

What we can see is the economic growth.

PALESTINE compared to ISRAEL

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This may be what you want to believe, but is less likely to be true.

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005.

(COMMENT)

Israel did leave Gaza in 2005. It gave the Hostile Arab Palestinians an opportunity to alter the face of Gaza. The Palestinians declined the opportunity and opted to create a battle zone.

That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians had an opportunity to create "a great place on the Mediterranean." Israel did NOT immediately create the containment program in 2005. During the period 2005 until the Block was raised in 2009, ---- HAMAS launched over 7000 rockets and mortars into Israel.

View attachment 41160 View attachment 41161​

Rather than "create a great place on the Mediterranean," the Palestinians chose another option (Rocket and Mortars).

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

(COMMENT)

I don't make that leap. The more viable interpretation is that neither HAMAS or DAESH have the makings of a "better partner." Neither have demonstrated that they can build a society of any value to humanity of the regional community.

The valued outcome here is that one or the other --- eliminates the other --- as a threat to regional peace and security; and in the process weakens the surviving opponent. Then, without regards to which survives (HAMAS or DAESH) there is just but one with which remains to be contained and dealt with.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

(COMMENT)

I don't know what the Palestinian calls a "lie" --- let alone a "truth." So I have no real idea --- over the course of time (now and into the future) what Palestinian objectives and goals will evolve. It is very difficult to determine what such a Sharia Law State would make under an undefined leadership.

What we can see is the economic growth.

PALESTINE compared to ISRAEL

Most Respectfully,
R

In all due respect, Rocco, you are full of shit.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

​

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

You really believe all the crap coming out of Gaza, don't you?

 

[Roudy]

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

You really believe all the crap coming out of Gaza, don't you?

What do you mean? He actually gets paid to promote this crap coming out of Gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

A jihadist group with ties to the Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a mortar attack on a Hamas base in the Gaza Strip.

ISIS supporters claim attack on Hamas base in Gaza Strip RT News

Of coarse ISIS is going to attack Hamas, they're funded by Israel and the US.

Gullible islamomoron Jew Hater post the propaganda he believes once again

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

Whoever thinks that the struggle between us is just a military one does not understand the issue. Hamas does everything in order to exhaust our society - that is part of their success. Hamas did everything in order to entangle us into using force against them in order to affect the next war.

"If Hamas was surprised by anything during Operation Protective Edge it was that we used aggressive force, more than they expected, because the likes of the Goldstone Report gave them a sense of security," said Turgeman.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- AND ---------------------------------------------------------------------​

(Recently, Hamas has been cracking down on the growing number of Islamic State-inspired extremist Salafi groups in Gaza. These groups seeks to replace Hamas and install an Islamic Caliphate in the Palestinian coastal enclave; ironically, they view Hamas as being too soft on Israel and failing to install Sharia law. Turgeman said that for Hamas, simply staying in power is viewed as a success. (Article Source: JNS.org News Service Insert)​

“For Hamas, the number of dead and amount of our attacks are not a measure of success or lack of success,” he said. “What matters is that it didn't lose and that it stayed in power.”
SOURCE: ONE and TWO

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas share common interests, and the Palestinian Islamists must stay in power in the Gaza Strip to prevent the enclave descending into chaos, an Israeli general was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas - Yahoo News

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

No Lie but the truth. Israel left gaza in 2005 to a barrage of rockets and terror attacks, and still the borders were open allowing arab muslims to travel to Israel to do their jobs. After 1 year of constant rocket attacks Israel closed the border and stopped the arab muslims from travelling into Israel as punishment for the constant terror attacks. Then when hamas came to power and started to make threats towards Israel the blockade was put in place.
Hamas and fatah do not want peace they want the mass murder of the Jews and the destruction of Israel, so the only way to achieve peace would be to wipe out hamas and fatah

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

Whoever thinks that the struggle between us is just a military one does not understand the issue. Hamas does everything in order to exhaust our society - that is part of their success. Hamas did everything in order to entangle us into using force against them in order to affect the next war.

"If Hamas was surprised by anything during Operation Protective Edge it was that we used aggressive force, more than they expected, because the likes of the Goldstone Report gave them a sense of security," said Turgeman.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- AND ---------------------------------------------------------------------​

(Recently, Hamas has been cracking down on the growing number of Islamic State-inspired extremist Salafi groups in Gaza. These groups seeks to replace Hamas and install an Islamic Caliphate in the Palestinian coastal enclave; ironically, they view Hamas as being too soft on Israel and failing to install Sharia law. Turgeman said that for Hamas, simply staying in power is viewed as a success. (Article Source: JNS.org News Service Insert)​

“For Hamas, the number of dead and amount of our attacks are not a measure of success or lack of success,” he said. “What matters is that it didn't lose and that it stayed in power.”
SOURCE: ONE and TWO

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas share common interests, and the Palestinian Islamists must stay in power in the Gaza Strip to prevent the enclave descending into chaos, an Israeli general was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas - Yahoo News

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

NOPE they acted within the terms of the ceasefire, it has been hamas that has broken the terms of the ceasefire.


Here you go the ceasefire in a nutshell

Gaza ceasefire Israel and Palestinians agree to halt weeks of fighting World news The Guardian


Under the truce, which came into force at 9pm local time (7pm GMT) and will be guaranteed by Egypt on the Palestinian side, Israel agreed to "stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip by land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals". In exchange it committed "all Palestinian factions" to "stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border".


So any incursions along the border are attacks on Israel which mean they are breaches of the ceasefire.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

​

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

Not if they stray too close to the border, which is a breach of the ceasefire

 

[Phoenall]

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

I don't think so. Doesn't a rocket from Gaza violate the cease fire or not?

Does shooting at farmers and fishermen violate the ceasefire?

Not if they get too close to boundaries set for them.

They were inside their own boundaries.

That is as may be but the lines they cant cross were set out in the talks and they constantly cross those lines.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This may be what you want to believe, but is less likely to be true.

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005.

(COMMENT)

Israel did leave Gaza in 2005. It gave the Hostile Arab Palestinians an opportunity to alter the face of Gaza. The Palestinians declined the opportunity and opted to create a battle zone.

That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians had an opportunity to create "a great place on the Mediterranean." Israel did NOT immediately create the containment program in 2005. During the period 2005 until the Block was raised in 2009, ---- HAMAS launched over 7000 rockets and mortars into Israel.

View attachment 41160 View attachment 41161​

Rather than "create a great place on the Mediterranean," the Palestinians chose another option (Rocket and Mortars).

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

(COMMENT)

I don't make that leap. The more viable interpretation is that neither HAMAS or DAESH have the makings of a "better partner." Neither have demonstrated that they can build a society of any value to humanity of the regional community.

The valued outcome here is that one or the other --- eliminates the other --- as a threat to regional peace and security; and in the process weakens the surviving opponent. Then, without regards to which survives (HAMAS or DAESH) there is just but one with which remains to be contained and dealt with.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

(COMMENT)

I don't know what the Palestinian calls a "lie" --- let alone a "truth." So I have no real idea --- over the course of time (now and into the future) what Palestinian objectives and goals will evolve. It is very difficult to determine what such a Sharia Law State would make under an undefined leadership.

What we can see is the economic growth.

PALESTINE compared to ISRAEL

Most Respectfully,
R

In all due respect, Rocco, you are full of shit.

Only because he posts the truth backed up with unbiased links that destroys your islamonazi propaganda.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

Whoever thinks that the struggle between us is just a military one does not understand the issue. Hamas does everything in order to exhaust our society - that is part of their success. Hamas did everything in order to entangle us into using force against them in order to affect the next war.

"If Hamas was surprised by anything during Operation Protective Edge it was that we used aggressive force, more than they expected, because the likes of the Goldstone Report gave them a sense of security," said Turgeman.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- AND ---------------------------------------------------------------------​

(Recently, Hamas has been cracking down on the growing number of Islamic State-inspired extremist Salafi groups in Gaza. These groups seeks to replace Hamas and install an Islamic Caliphate in the Palestinian coastal enclave; ironically, they view Hamas as being too soft on Israel and failing to install Sharia law. Turgeman said that for Hamas, simply staying in power is viewed as a success. (Article Source: JNS.org News Service Insert)​

“For Hamas, the number of dead and amount of our attacks are not a measure of success or lack of success,” he said. “What matters is that it didn't lose and that it stayed in power.”
SOURCE: ONE and TWO

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas share common interests, and the Palestinian Islamists must stay in power in the Gaza Strip to prevent the enclave descending into chaos, an Israeli general was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Israeli general sees common interests with Hamas - Yahoo News

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

NOPE they acted within the terms of the ceasefire, it has been hamas that has broken the terms of the ceasefire.


Here you go the ceasefire in a nutshell

Gaza ceasefire Israel and Palestinians agree to halt weeks of fighting World news The Guardian


Under the truce, which came into force at 9pm local time (7pm GMT) and will be guaranteed by Egypt on the Palestinian side, Israel agreed to "stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip by land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals". In exchange it committed "all Palestinian factions" to "stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border".


So any incursions along the border are attacks on Israel which mean they are breaches of the ceasefire.

I don't recall any reports of farmers jumping the fence swinging a hoe.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This may be what you want to believe, but is less likely to be true.

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005.

(COMMENT)

Israel did leave Gaza in 2005. It gave the Hostile Arab Palestinians an opportunity to alter the face of Gaza. The Palestinians declined the opportunity and opted to create a battle zone.

That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians had an opportunity to create "a great place on the Mediterranean." Israel did NOT immediately create the containment program in 2005. During the period 2005 until the Block was raised in 2009, ---- HAMAS launched over 7000 rockets and mortars into Israel.

View attachment 41160 View attachment 41161​

Rather than "create a great place on the Mediterranean," the Palestinians chose another option (Rocket and Mortars).

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

(COMMENT)

I don't make that leap. The more viable interpretation is that neither HAMAS or DAESH have the makings of a "better partner." Neither have demonstrated that they can build a society of any value to humanity of the regional community.

The valued outcome here is that one or the other --- eliminates the other --- as a threat to regional peace and security; and in the process weakens the surviving opponent. Then, without regards to which survives (HAMAS or DAESH) there is just but one with which remains to be contained and dealt with.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

(COMMENT)

I don't know what the Palestinian calls a "lie" --- let alone a "truth." So I have no real idea --- over the course of time (now and into the future) what Palestinian objectives and goals will evolve. It is very difficult to determine what such a Sharia Law State would make under an undefined leadership.

What we can see is the economic growth.

PALESTINE compared to ISRAEL

Most Respectfully,
R

In all due respect, Rocco, you are full of shit.

Only because he posts the truth backed up with unbiased links that destroys your islamonazi propaganda.

What did he post that refutes my post?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not really sure that we all understand what MG Turgeman (CG IDF SOUTHCOM - פד"מ) is actually saying. The Israeli general strategy since the 2005 withdrawal has been on of prevention of chaos and humanitarian event escalation into crisis --- and --- an aversion to military action that would have an adverse domestic ramification (political and economic); as well as confrontational consequences with key external influences.

​

(COMMENT)

Iranian (similar to that of DAESH/ISIS/ISIL) involvement is always about their long-term investment in setting the conditions for the expansion of their power and influence. There will be (eventually) a confrontation over the which will bring the Arab Palestinians in under Sharia Law. The common interest, if their is really any at all, is that both Israel or HAMAS see the expanding influence of DAESH in GAZA as a negative. But from a political standpoint, if HAMAS is busy trying to contain DAESH, it will detract from HAMAS's ability to conduct hostile operations against Israel. HAMAS not finds themselves in combat on two fronts (one with Israel and one with DAESH) while the hungry Revolutionary Guards Corps (al-Quds Force) waits in the wings. Caught in the middle, HAMAS may be in more trouble then most realize. The advantage to the West and the other regional Arab States, is that Gaza (whither under the influence of HAMAS or DAESH) is contained between Egypt and Israel. Certainly Jordan does not want DAESH on two borders. Jordan will need the help and support to keep DAECH boxed-in and on a leash.

It will be interesting to see what the West Bank Government does.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005. That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

Here's the problem in a nutshell, Tinmore.
The Hamas military wing is dictating policy in Gaza. The political wing wants a long lasting peace and the terrorist MFers want perpetual war.
Don't you keep up with current events?

Palestinian members of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement, take part in a military parade marking the 27th anniversary of Hamas' founding, in Gaza City, Dec. 14, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies
The tension between Hamas’ political and military wings is intensifying. Senior Palestinian Authority sources monitoring the events from within Hamas informed Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the leaders of the military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have been pressuring members of the political wing to stop probing the possibility of a diplomatic arrangement, whose main thrust is a long-term cease-fire. The military wing’s leader, Mohammed al-Deif, who according to reports has only recently resumed full activity in Hamas following an abortive attempt on his life during Operation Protective Edge in August, is pulling in a different direction. Espousing rapprochement with Iran, he wants to bolster Hamas’ military array in the Gaza Strip and prepare it for a future confrontation with Israel



Read more: Hamas military wing dictates movement s policies - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

OK, but what were the terms of the last ceasefire.

Israel has already violated the ceasefire several times.

NOPE they acted within the terms of the ceasefire, it has been hamas that has broken the terms of the ceasefire.


Here you go the ceasefire in a nutshell

Gaza ceasefire Israel and Palestinians agree to halt weeks of fighting World news The Guardian


Under the truce, which came into force at 9pm local time (7pm GMT) and will be guaranteed by Egypt on the Palestinian side, Israel agreed to "stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip by land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals". In exchange it committed "all Palestinian factions" to "stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border".


So any incursions along the border are attacks on Israel which mean they are breaches of the ceasefire.

I don't recall any reports of farmers jumping the fence swinging a hoe.

Don't need to just approach the line drawn in the soil and they are in breach of the ceasefire. And you have yet to prove they are farmers, something you will never do.

By the way farmers don't use hoes, they use harrows drawn by a tractor.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This may be what you want to believe, but is less likely to be true.

I think the confusion is about the lie that Israel left Gaza in 2005.

(COMMENT)

Israel did leave Gaza in 2005. It gave the Hostile Arab Palestinians an opportunity to alter the face of Gaza. The Palestinians declined the opportunity and opted to create a battle zone.

That the Palestinians had the freedom to create a great place on the Mediterranean.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians had an opportunity to create "a great place on the Mediterranean." Israel did NOT immediately create the containment program in 2005. During the period 2005 until the Block was raised in 2009, ---- HAMAS launched over 7000 rockets and mortars into Israel.

View attachment 41160 View attachment 41161​

Rather than "create a great place on the Mediterranean," the Palestinians chose another option (Rocket and Mortars).

The story posted implied that Hamas would be, if offered the opportunity, a better partner than ISIS, etc. who would fill the power vacuum if Hamas fell.

(COMMENT)

I don't make that leap. The more viable interpretation is that neither HAMAS or DAESH have the makings of a "better partner." Neither have demonstrated that they can build a society of any value to humanity of the regional community.

The valued outcome here is that one or the other --- eliminates the other --- as a threat to regional peace and security; and in the process weakens the surviving opponent. Then, without regards to which survives (HAMAS or DAESH) there is just but one with which remains to be contained and dealt with.

If Israel would turn that aforementioned lie into the truth peace would be much easier to achieve.

(COMMENT)

I don't know what the Palestinian calls a "lie" --- let alone a "truth." So I have no real idea --- over the course of time (now and into the future) what Palestinian objectives and goals will evolve. It is very difficult to determine what such a Sharia Law State would make under an undefined leadership.

What we can see is the economic growth.

PALESTINE compared to ISRAEL

Most Respectfully,
R

In all due respect, Rocco, you are full of shit.

Only because he posts the truth backed up with unbiased links that destroys your islamonazi propaganda.

What did he post that refutes my post?

Everything, but you are blinded by your RACISM and HATRED so you cant see it