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Let me explain a few things to you. First of all, no one living today, enslaved ANYONE! Slavery is DEAD. So is Jim Crow; it's OVER. By that logic, it's perfectly OK for any Native American to hate Whites, and for that matter, it's just as OK for any White Southerner to hate any and all Yankees (I can provide a lengthy and rather nauseating list of war crimes committed against Southern civilians by Union troops). It's fine to remember past wrongs; they're instructive on what NOT to do. On the other hand, using those wrongs as a rationale for hating today is useless; both perpetrators and victims have long since taken the dispute to a Higher Court, so end it, NOW!
Second, there is no entirely virtuous race, there is no entirely villainous race, there is no criminal race, there is no victim race, and there is no bigoted race. All those are characteristics of INDIVIDUALS, not entire racial groups; no race has a monopoly on either vice or virtue, and it is a lie to pretend otherwise.I've seen White posters behave badly here; I've seen Black posters behave badly here. I've seen Jews, and Christians, and Muslims, behave badly here. Not one of them represented an entire race, religion, or ethnicity; for good or ill, they each represented THEMSELVES. An individual says something disgraceful, point it out, but blanket statements and groupthink like you started this thread with only serve to promote hatred, bigotry, and mistrust. "Race" will continue to be a problem in this country, until we stop seeing people as members of a "race", and start seeing them as individual human beings. That starts with each and every one of us, INCLUDING YOU!
P.S Using racial slurs, even those aimed at your own race, is bigotry, too, so before you do too much finger-pointing and acting "holier than thou", take a look in the mirror. Whether you realize it or not, statements like yours come across as pandering and patronizing, which in itself is a form of bigotry, or if you prefer a more loaded word, "racism".
No blacks effected by Jim Crow are alive today? Save the colorblind bullshit for the naive. America was born of and will die from racism.
Want to keep hating over the past, Salt? Do you, really? You still want to be stuck in 1968, pretending nothing has changed, or ever will? A friend who told me years ago that the generations living then would all have to die off, before we could look at each other and see a person, not a color, was right. You, and your counterparts on the other side, keep it up; keep nursing those grudges, real and imagined, and that last sentence of yours may become a self-fulfilling prophecy. What do you want to do, exactly? Wind up killing each other over it? What good will THAT do anyone, of any race? It's either that, or find a way to live together, because neither your race nor mine is going anywhere, and we are not going to accomplish anything by hurling accusations, and pointing fingers, at one another. That gets done every day here; has it changed anyone's heart and mind? That "colorblind bullshit" may be for the naive, but at least it's a start at something better. You got a better idea? Then put it out there.
José;3814486 said:Nigerians would be mad if Nigeria were flooded with millions of chinese immigrants.
The chinese people would set Beijing on fire if China accepted millions of hispanics from Bolivia, Ecuador and Mexico.
So I don't blame Tank and Joyce for doing exactly what any other people on Earth would do if they witnessed the accelerated destruction of the racial makeup of their nation carried out (believe it or not) by their own schizophrenic government.
I think you are confusing having a rationale for hatred, with having a "justification" for it. By that logic you are using, some White people look at the amount of Black-on-White crime, look at the incarceration statistics (which are pretty grim) and conclude that Black people are hateful and violent. That furnishes a rationale for hate (so long as you don't look at it too closely) but in no way justifies that hate. What gets left out, naturally, is the disproportionate degree to which a part of Black America is affected by poverty, and the ills associated with it. What gets left out from the Black side of the divide is that a considerable number of White people have tried to help counter the hate and discrimination Blacks have too often experienced; that was a problem MLK addressed back in 1963, and it is with us yet. As I pointed out earlier (read the WHOLE post) the problem comes from generalizing from "Some of the other race behave badly" to "See? ALL of THEM are like that!" Now add in the use of race as a political tool (Not new, it's been going on since the end of slavery, and even before that), and political figures pandering to the absolute worst instincts of BOTH sides, and you have the reason (not an especially good one) for the hate that gets spewed back and forth here regularly. The truth of course, is that neither race is a monolith, socially, economically, or in any other respect. It's not fair or accurate to single out any individual or subgroup, for better or worse, and ascribe their characteristics to an entire race. That is just plain idiotic, and wrong.
Bullshit HG. You've been here long enough to know that the hate flows both ways. I used to think you "got that" but now I know you don't.
Blacks have more of a right to hate and be mad at Whites than vice versa. They are the ones who's ancestors were enslaved by us, and who have been denied, on paper, civil rights until 45 years ago, and who institutionally, still recieve racism from whites. I don't understand how hatred or anger isn't justified, or valid on their part. We are the ones who did all of that to them. What the hell do we have to mad about? We are the ones who brought them over here. They have done literally nothing wrong, yet some of you take the attitude that this whole thing is their fault. I don't understand your logic, or what facts you use to support your logic.
Originally posted by newpolitics
Blacks weren't immigrants looking for work... we brought them here for slavery. That is quite a difference. How on earth do you equate your hypotheticals with reality?
Bullshit HG. You've been here long enough to know that the hate flows both ways. I used to think you "got that" but now I know you don't.
Blacks have more of a right to hate and be mad at Whites than vice versa. They are the ones who's ancestors were enslaved by us, and who have been denied, on paper, civil rights until 45 years ago, and who institutionally, still recieve racism from whites. I don't understand how hatred or anger isn't justified, or valid on their part. We are the ones who did all of that to them. What the hell do we have to mad about? We are the ones who brought them over here. They have done literally nothing wrong, yet some of you take the attitude that this whole thing is their fault. I don't understand your logic, or what facts you use to support your logic.
Bullshit HG. You've been here long enough to know that the hate flows both ways. I used to think you "got that" but now I know you don't.
Blacks have more of a right to hate and be mad at Whites than vice versa. They are the ones who's ancestors were enslaved by us, and who have been denied, on paper, civil rights until 45 years ago, and who institutionally, still recieve racism from whites. I don't understand how hatred or anger isn't justified, or valid on their part. We are the ones who did all of that to them. What the hell do we have to mad about? We are the ones who brought them over here. They have done literally nothing wrong, yet some of you take the attitude that this whole thing is their fault. I don't understand your logic, or what facts you use to support your logic.
People like you do no good in pretend we still don't have problems. As long as you continue you to deny reality, we will continue to make sure that the playing field stays level.
Originally posted by tonystewart1
Its time to make blacks part of the country where you fail or pass on your own merits.
José;3816763 said:Originally posted by tonystewart1
Its time to make blacks part of the country where you fail or pass on your own merits.
It's time to stop debating metaphysics in the middle of an avalanche.
People like newpolitics must be living in an parallel universe:
Complaining about slavery and Jim Crow laws while America is fastly becoming a hispanic nation.
Talk about being a dinosaur from a bygone era.
Are you talking about Affirmative Action?As long as no one is creating laws to disbar another race from prospering, we are fine.
Hispanics don't feel sorry for blacks like white liberals do.
Originally posted by The Gadfly
Yet another sign that the Apocalypse is upon us: Jose and I actually agree on something!
We are the ones who did all of that to them. What the hell do we have to mad about? We are the ones who brought them over here. They have done literally nothing wrong, yet some of you take the attitude that this whole thing is their fault. I don't understand your logic, or what facts you use to support your logic.
Originally posted by AfroFogey
As long as no one is creating laws to disbar another race from prospering, we are fine.
Originally posted by AfroFogey
Race relations honestly are darn near perfect in America.
Hispanics don't enslave blacks, they just kill them.Hispanics don't feel sorry for blacks like white liberals do.
Hispanics didn't enslave blacks in America. White people did.
