Is the idea of Congress itself fundamentally flawed?

[Christophera]

We can vote directly now. The House is unnecessary.
Keep the Senate.

Not until the voting process is made secure in the Nation. And right now, it is not.

Opinion controls democracy, opinion comes from information, information comes from media.

Media is owned by the oligarchy. We will never know how to vote in our interests.

The purpose of free speech and a fair lawful vote can only be returned by constitutional amendment. Then, campaign finance must be effected the same way.

Doing those three things makes the nation constitutional enough for Article V.

Both of you support a lawful and peaceful revolution but do not know it.

CDZ - A Lawful And Peaceful Revolution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Term limits to reduce the chance of politicians being bought by corporations is not a revolution, it is only an attempt to return honor and dignity to an arm of government that has lost its way.
Restoring the intent of congress as outlined in the constitution is not a revolution. For congress to be acting in the manner that they are is in fact a revolution that is taking the power from the citizens as intended and transfering that power to the corporations as not intended.

You left out ending the abridging of the ultimate PURPOSE of free speech. To enable the unity adequate to alter or abolish.

That WILL require a lawful and peaceful revolution .

In order to restore the lawful intent of congress, the people will have to lead them with majority from states made constitutional.

Term limits are a good idea, but the basic intents are far more important and corporations buy elections with money buying exposure for candidates.

If the Supreme Court allowed unlimited finance, they are not constitutional. If that benefits congress members, there is collusion.

Lincoln, 1859, "the people are the rightful masters if the congress and the court". This is because we are the only entity that can define constitutional intent. We do that by agreement upon it.

Article V is the intent of alter or abolish codified. To use it we must control our states.

CDZ - A Lawful And Peaceful Revolution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[there4eyeM]

By the same reasoning, direct vote (through secure links) by the populace would trend to the general good while being immune to lobbying excesses and influence peddling.
The Senate's place would be to maintain the republican part of the democracy by avoiding hasty errors.

 

[longknife]

If 435 people's approval is required to get things done isn't that a systemic failure waiting to happen? Isn't it more effective the fewer people required, and optimally just 1?

Abolish Congress and the Presidency, and reform the USA as an elected dictatorship. 1 head of state is elected for a single 10 year term. Then they're out and someone else is elected.

1 person with absolute power can get things done. 436 can't decide on a lunch order let alone anyting important.

Except it is too prone to corruption or despotism when not being of the people. And, Article V puts the states over the congress and courts if those entities suffer corruption.

All that needs be is for the purpose of free speech to be understood and used by the people to exercise their natural law rights through their unity.

The Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy had a huge impact upon the framers.

The Six Nations Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth

Haudenosaunee Confederacy

Iroquois and the Founding Fathers Teachinghistory.org

Chp 4 Such an Union FORGOTTEN FOUNDERS Benjamin Franklin the Iroquois and the Rationale for the American Revolution By Bruce E. Johansen

The Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy had a huge impact upon the framers.

Thank God! At least someone bothered to study the ideas our Founding Fathers had to work with!

I'm amazed.

 

[Christophera]

If 435 people's approval is required to get things done isn't that a systemic failure waiting to happen? Isn't it more effective the fewer people required, and optimally just 1?

Abolish Congress and the Presidency, and reform the USA as an elected dictatorship. 1 head of state is elected for a single 10 year term. Then they're out and someone else is elected.

1 person with absolute power can get things done. 436 can't decide on a lunch order let alone anything important.

Maybe; but, I take the view that 435 persons with experience and education should be able to come up with synergistic solutions commensurate with their combined education and experience.

If they had fully constitutional intent, I agree.

How did your last test of their intent go?

 

[Christophera]

If 435 people's approval is required to get things done isn't that a systemic failure waiting to happen? Isn't it more effective the fewer people required, and optimally just 1?

Abolish Congress and the Presidency, and reform the USA as an elected dictatorship. 1 head of state is elected for a single 10 year term. Then they're out and someone else is elected.

1 person with absolute power can get things done. 436 can't decide on a lunch order let alone anyting important.

Except it is too prone to corruption or despotism when not being of the people. And, Article V puts the states over the congress and courts if those entities suffer corruption.

All that needs be is for the purpose of free speech to be understood and used by the people to exercise their natural law rights through their unity.

The Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy had a huge impact upon the framers.

The Six Nations Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth

Haudenosaunee Confederacy

Iroquois and the Founding Fathers Teachinghistory.org

Chp 4 Such an Union FORGOTTEN FOUNDERS Benjamin Franklin the Iroquois and the Rationale for the American Revolution By Bruce E. Johansen

The Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy had a huge impact upon the framers.

Thank God! At least someone bothered to study the ideas our Founding Fathers had to work with!

I'm amazed.

No less than I am by your instant acceptance. I thought for sure "long knife" was a sword

Maybe we can go a step further and you can set an IMPORTANT example of understanding of Indigenous philosophy, and respect for natural law. Indeed, fundamental human societal philosophy, and respect for natural law.

Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights?

 

[Christophera]

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By the same reasoning, direct vote (through secure links) by the populace would trend to the general good while being immune to lobbying excesses and influence peddling.
The Senate's place would be to maintain the republican part of the democracy by avoiding hasty errors.

I would agree immediately, but know that; democracy relies on opinion, opinion relies on information and information comes from media.

Media is controlled by the oligarchy. With information from their media, we will never have a unified opinion that is capable of voting fully in our interests.

With a lawful and peaceful revolution, we can;End the abridging of free speech and the abridging of freedom of the press, secure the vote and create campaign finance reform.

CDZ - A Lawful And Peaceful Revolution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[there4eyeM]

We're still ahead of how influence works on the corporate representatives that pass for members of the House.

Besides, we have the Internet and blogs like these to vet things.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If 435 people's approval is required to get things done isn't that a systemic failure waiting to happen? Isn't it more effective the fewer people required, and optimally just 1?

Abolish Congress and the Presidency, and reform the USA as an elected dictatorship. 1 head of state is elected for a single 10 year term. Then they're out and someone else is elected.

1 person with absolute power can get things done. 436 can't decide on a lunch order let alone anyting important.

Obviously, the Kool-Aid has taken its toll this morning. You can't be serious, can you?

The problem is not one of having a Congress consisting of representatives from different states, the problem lies in the absence of control over the Congress. Once elected to office, Congresspersons exert their will, and not the will of the people. This is what needs to be addressed.

One-person ruling systems of government were the norm a long while before democracies came about.

Worked great for Mao, Stalin, Hitler and the Caesars after Julius

 

[Christophera]

We're still ahead of how influence works on the corporate representatives that pass for members of the House.

Besides, we have the Internet and blogs like these to vet things.

Or we think we do. Perhaps like, "those who think they know the truth are the most deceived of all".

What if since 1998 or so, a massive psyops had descended upon the Internet forums, blogs, chat, web sites, YouTube, the works? Where up to 50% of what appears popular is really artificially made to look that way.

Then, the unwitting partake of discussion which slowly adjusts their perceptions and thinking into something that can never function.

It looks sort of functional, makes noises like it thinks it is functional, talks about things that are on the TV ETC, but really is mostly erroneous hyperbole. Really existing as an outlet, an expression because if it threatened to become anything more, dozens of covert manipulators AND those conditioned to behave that way, yo follow that lead, step in and quash any unity leading to functional action.

It's not like real issues do not come up, but it's like they are overtaken by the unreal, the inconsequential, the immaterial, but those usurping issues are made, artificially to appear functional enough to merit discussion.

What if?

 

[westwall]

If 435 people's approval is required to get things done isn't that a systemic failure waiting to happen? Isn't it more effective the fewer people required, and optimally just 1?

Abolish Congress and the Presidency, and reform the USA as an elected dictatorship. 1 head of state is elected for a single 10 year term. Then they're out and someone else is elected.

1 person with absolute power can get things done. 436 can't decide on a lunch order let alone anyting important.

I guess you never read any papers that the Founders wrote. The whole reason why our government was set up the way it is was to BE adversarial. They realized that any government that works together too easily will very quickly become corrupt. Why am I not surprised that you would vote for a dictatorship. Here's the problem though, you elect the first one, he decides he wants to stay. How exactly do you get rid of him then?

Not a very deep amount of thinking went into your post.

 

[jasonnfree]

All this talk about the founders and the constitution. Our present reps, both dem and repub, are fixing to turn this country over to the corporations and other special interests with the TPP, so is it really worth it to argue over what the founders intended?