Is the idea of Congress itself fundamentally flawed?

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    If 435 people's approval is required to get things done isn't that a systemic failure waiting to happen?

    What needs to get done?
     
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    Term limits is the answer.
    The problem is not with congress as an institution or as a branch of the government, the idea behind congress is good.
    The problem is that being a representative was never intended as a life time job, or a career.
    People like Reid, Pelosi, Bohner etc.. that have been in office for as long as they have been, have found that representing the corporations instead of the people is a much more lucrative way to spend their energy.
    If a congressman or a senator could only spend 4 to 8 years in the position, there would be a much greater chance that they would represent those that elected them. They wouldn't have time to become as corrupt and because of a short finite term things might get done faster.
    To make it even more likely that they would actually do things that are good for the citizens, one has to consider that they would be making laws that would apply to them when they left their elected position.
    Take the ACA, as written, how many in congress would have voted for it if they had read it before passing it, and realized that in just a few years they would also be required to comply with everything in it, including the costs and waiting lines at the health care providers?
     
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    The entire purpose of congress was to have representatives of the people and the states decides what gets to be done by a majority - either a simple or 2/3 majority.

    The founders purposely made it to avoid mob rule and to also include a bit of common sense and cooling off. Instead of instantly responding to mob hysteria, the idea was to come up with a reasonable solution.
     
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    We can vote directly now. The House is unnecessary.
    Keep the Senate.
     
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    Not until the voting process is made secure in the Nation. And right now, it is not.
     
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    Oh Dorothy, let's not go to Egypt
     
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    Except it is too prone to corruption or despotism when not being of the people. And, Article V puts the states over the congress and courts if those entities suffer corruption.

    All that needs be is for the purpose of free speech to be understood and used by the people to exercise their natural law rights through their unity.

    The Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy had a huge impact upon the framers.

    The Six Nations Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth

    Haudenosaunee Confederacy

    Iroquois and the Founding Fathers Teachinghistory.org

    Chp 4 Such an Union FORGOTTEN FOUNDERS Benjamin Franklin the Iroquois and the Rationale for the American Revolution By Bruce E. Johansen
     
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    Opinion controls democracy, opinion comes from information, information comes from media.

    Media is owned by the oligarchy. We will never know how to vote in our interests.

    The purpose of free speech and a fair lawful vote can only be returned by constitutional amendment. Then, campaign finance must be effected the same way.

    Doing those three things makes the nation constitutional enough for Article V.

    Both of you support a lawful and peaceful revolution but do not know it.

    CDZ - A Lawful And Peaceful Revolution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
     
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    Term limits to reduce the chance of politicians being bought by corporations is not a revolution, it is only an attempt to return honor and dignity to an arm of government that has lost its way.
    Restoring the intent of congress as outlined in the constitution is not a revolution. For congress to be acting in the manner that they are is in fact a revolution that is taking the power from the citizens as intended and transfering that power to the corporations as not intended.
     
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    Maybe; but, I take the view that 435 persons with experience and education should be able to come up with synergistic solutions commensurate with their combined education and experience.
     

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