Is Thanksgiving a racist holiday?

[JohnDB]

The pilgrims...AKA missionaries came to prostlytize the indigenous people of America...
Between the guerrilla warfare existing between the various denominations in Europe over a "holier than thou" contests and the relative freedoms that would exist here they were all for it....

Until it came time to face the reality of hard hard work and the hardships they would face. Some people never actually left the ship the whole time it was docked here.

Many were unaccustomed to the hard life farming really is...they also barely got a few communal shelters built. Most died from starvation and sickness. They also discovered caches of peas and other foodstuffs the natives would store in various places.

Pilgrim's were also unaccustomed to drinking water...and only did so as a last resort. In Europe fecal contamination from latrines had contaminated all the Wells and so for hundreds of years nobody really drank pure water. They drank beer or wine...wine was really expensive so most people just drank beer/ale...or milk if they could get it.

One of the first things they did was set up the brewery so they could have something to drink.

When finally desperate they learned to watch how the natives farmed and instead of communal farms each person was allotted their own parcel of land to ",live or die" by. They not only built their own homes but they also brought in a bumper crop of food. They all had so much surplus they invited the natives to share a feast lasting a week...they had hunting parties and brought the game to the feast as well. They hunted venison and wild turkeys and likely any rabbits as well. Probably a few fish as well.

They had lots of beer and didn't understand that they were giving these people measles and chicken pox. They wanted to be missionaries. Of course alcoholic Beverages for native American and the diseases was sure to kill them. Natives at that time were nomadic...or more like "snowbirds" that move between Florida and New Jersey depending on the season.

Nothing went as planned. The communal lifestyle they invisioned didn't work out. Plymouth Rock wasn't even the first group of settlers...they were the second. Plymouth Rock just was the one that survived.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The rest of the story. This is from MSNBC butthurt from getting tossed out of the Rittenhouse trial.

Ted Cruz Blasts MSNBC for Comparing Thanksgiving to ‘White Supremacy’

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[frigidweirdo]

Senator Ted Cruz slammed MSNBC for touting an anti-Thanksgiving message.
The MSNBC segment - featuring Gyasi Ross, who is Native American - argued that white people have an inaccurate perception of Thanksgiving and blamed the Pilgrims for the racial inequalities impacting the United States now.
'Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence. That genocide and violence is still on the menu,'

Ted Cruz blasts MSNBC over Thanksgiving white supremacy essay

Cruz argued MSNBC and correspondent Gyasi Ross were touting a message of: 'Thanksgiving sucks. Come for the lies; stay for the anti-American hate'. Several Republicans echoed Cruz's criticisms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Comment:
We can't change the past.
So, hating the present generation of the eeeeviiilll white oppressors for the things that past generations did is dumb.
Thanksgiving brings with it another opportunity for the crazy racist Democrats to spread more of their vile hate.
Ross obviously loathes white people.
Ross is promoting the mythology that all of the Native Americans were peaceful.
Ross is glossing over the many massacres that some Native Americans did to Settlers.
We should not be hating each other for things done by past generations.
Thanksgiving should be a time for healing and being thankful for our families and our friends.
Thanksgiving should transcend racial antipathy.
Ross should be thankful for democracy, indoor plumbing, electricity, cars, planes, trains, air conditioning, medical advancements, paved roads, light bulbs, telephones, internet.......

Racist? Not really, just bizarre. What a message it sends. "Hey guys, thank people by committing genocide on them"

And then make a holiday about it.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The pilgrims...AKA missionaries came to prostlytize the indigenous people of America...
Between the guerrilla warfare existing between the various denominations in Europe over a "holier than thou" contests and the relative freedoms that would exist here they were all for it....

Until it came time to face the reality of hard hard work and the hardships they would face. Some people never actually left the ship the whole time it was docked here.

Many were unaccustomed to the hard life farming really is...they also barely got a few communal shelters built. Most died from starvation and sickness. They also discovered caches of peas and other foodstuffs the natives would store in various places.

Pilgrim's were also unaccustomed to drinking water...and only did so as a last resort. In Europe fecal contamination from latrines had contaminated all the Wells and so for hundreds of years nobody really drank pure water. They drank beer or wine...wine was really expensive so most people just drank beer/ale...or milk if they could get it.

One of the first things they did was set up the brewery so they could have something to drink.

When finally desperate they learned to watch how the natives farmed and instead of communal farms each person was allotted their own parcel of land to ",live or die" by. They not only built their own homes but they also brought in a bumper crop of food. They all had so much surplus they invited the natives to share a feast lasting a week...they had hunting parties and brought the game to the feast as well. They hunted venison and wild turkeys and likely any rabbits as well. Probably a few fish as well.

They had lots of beer and didn't understand that they were giving these people measles and chicken pox. They wanted to be missionaries. Of course alcoholic Beverages for native American and the diseases was sure to kill them. Natives at that time were nomadic...or more like "snowbirds" that move between Florida and New Jersey depending on the season.

Nothing went as planned. The communal lifestyle they invisioned didn't work out. Plymouth Rock wasn't even the first group of settlers...they were the second. Plymouth Rock just was the one that survived.

The Pilgrims weren't missionaries. They were contractors for the Massachusetts Bay Company. They were supposed to send back lumber and furs and the new product, tobacco.

 

[Clyde 154]

The pilgrims...AKA missionaries came to prostlytize the indigenous people of America...
Between the guerrilla warfare existing between the various denominations in Europe over a "holier than thou" contests and the relative freedoms that would exist here they were all for it....

Until it came time to face the reality of hard hard work and the hardships they would face. Some people never actually left the ship the whole time it was docked here.

Many were unaccustomed to the hard life farming really is...they also barely got a few communal shelters built. Most died from starvation and sickness. They also discovered caches of peas and other foodstuffs the natives would store in various places.

Pilgrim's were also unaccustomed to drinking water...and only did so as a last resort. In Europe fecal contamination from latrines had contaminated all the Wells and so for hundreds of years nobody really drank pure water. They drank beer or wine...wine was really expensive so most people just drank beer/ale...or milk if they could get it.

One of the first things they did was set up the brewery so they could have something to drink.

When finally desperate they learned to watch how the natives farmed and instead of communal farms each person was allotted their own parcel of land to ",live or die" by. They not only built their own homes but they also brought in a bumper crop of food. They all had so much surplus they invited the natives to share a feast lasting a week...they had hunting parties and brought the game to the feast as well. They hunted venison and wild turkeys and likely any rabbits as well. Probably a few fish as well.

They had lots of beer and didn't understand that they were giving these people measles and chicken pox. They wanted to be missionaries. Of course alcoholic Beverages for native American and the diseases was sure to kill them. Natives at that time were nomadic...or more like "snowbirds" that move between Florida and New Jersey depending on the season.

Nothing went as planned. The communal lifestyle they invisioned didn't work out. Plymouth Rock wasn't even the first group of settlers...they were the second. Plymouth Rock just was the one that survived.

It all worked out in the end. Karma is its own reward. How many American Citizens have been lost to a substance introduced by native Americans.......Tobacco?

Reality: Religion was controlled by majority in Europe by Rome.......there was no freedom of religion. Rome used the religion of Christianity as a method to conquer and control power and wealth throughout the civilized world at that time.

Mandated by the STATE and Controlled by the Vatican it was illegal for a lay person to own a copy of the Holy Bible....the content was controlled like a state secret and was allowed to be read by elite educated men from a dead language only. (Latin).

It was such practices that brought the world such noble causes as the Spanish Inquisitions and the Crusades..........the authorization for such evangelical practices is no where to be found in the actual content of the Holy Bible. Both the Inquisitions and the Crusades were created by the Doctrine of Men, used entirely to garner wealth, power and control.

With the advent of the printing press came a religious uprising when the printing press allowed mass production of the scriptures into translated English such as the King James version of the Bible. The final result was a PROTEST and a revolution of the common man.......historically called the Protestant Reformation, where the lay people were finally allowed access to the content of the Bible which was previously reserved only for the educated clergy.

It was this PROESTANT MOVEMENT that eventually resulted in the creation of the United States of America.......and why the Bill of Rights specifically prohibits the central government from enacting legislation that favors one religion over another, where the atheist, the agnostic and the religious can all pursue their personal ideologies void of government interference (in theory). Its clear after 250 chipping away at our constitutional rights........the government attempts to use the constitution and bill of rights as a hammer against THE PEOPLE instead of using it as it was designed, to place restrictions and limits upon the STATE (federal government). Today the radical courts attempt to interpret the constitution as placing limits upon THE PEOPLE.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Racist? Not really, just bizarre. What a message it sends. "Hey guys, thank people by committing genocide on them"

And then make a holiday about it.

Thanksgiving was made a holiday by Abraham Lincoln, thankful that the union has been preserved. In light of recent events, perhaps the union should not have been preserved. It appears that the wrong side won after all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Thanksgiving was made a holiday by Abraham Lincoln, thankful that the union has been preserved. In light of recent events, perhaps the union should not have been preserved. It appears that the wrong side won after all.

Not quite. Lincoln made it a holiday in 1863, two years before the Civil War was over.

Though there had been thanksgiving holidays in the US before this. The first in 1777. Lincoln didn't make it a yearly thing, he just made it for that year. Though it has been observed every year since that year.

 

[woodwork201]

Senator Ted Cruz slammed MSNBC for touting an anti-Thanksgiving message.
The MSNBC segment - featuring Gyasi Ross, who is Native American - argued that white people have an inaccurate perception of Thanksgiving and blamed the Pilgrims for the racial inequalities impacting the United States now.
'Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence. That genocide and violence is still on the menu,'

Ted Cruz blasts MSNBC over Thanksgiving white supremacy essay

Cruz argued MSNBC and correspondent Gyasi Ross were touting a message of: 'Thanksgiving sucks. Come for the lies; stay for the anti-American hate'. Several Republicans echoed Cruz's criticisms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Comment:
We can't change the past.
So, hating the present generation of the eeeeviiilll white oppressors for the things that past generations did is dumb.
Thanksgiving brings with it another opportunity for the crazy racist Democrats to spread more of their vile hate.
Ross obviously loathes white people.
Ross is promoting the mythology that all of the Native Americans were peaceful.
Ross is glossing over the many massacres that some Native Americans did to Settlers.
We should not be hating each other for things done by past generations.
Thanksgiving should be a time for healing and being thankful for our families and our friends.
Thanksgiving should transcend racial antipathy.
Ross should be thankful for democracy, indoor plumbing, electricity, cars, planes, trains, air conditioning, medical advancements, paved roads, light bulbs, telephones, internet.......

That's a just plain silly question. Of course it's racist. Everything is racist. Name a thing that is not.

 

[JohnDB]

It all worked out in the end. Karma is its own reward. How many American Citizens have been lost to a substance introduced by native Americans.......Tobacco?

Reality: Religion was controlled by majority in Europe by Rome.......there was no freedom of religion. Rome used the religion of Christianity as a method to conquer and control power and wealth throughout the civilized world at that time.

Mandated by the STATE and Controlled by the Vatican it was illegal for a lay person to own a copy of the Holy Bible....the content was controlled like a state secret and was allowed to be read by elite educated men from a dead language only. (Latin).

It was such practices that brought the world such noble causes as the Spanish Inquisitions and the Crusades..........the authorization for such evangelical practices is no where to be found in the actual content of the Holy Bible. Both the Inquisitions and the Crusades were created by the Doctrine of Men, used entirely to garner wealth, power and control.

With the advent of the printing press came a religious uprising when the printing press allowed mass production of the scriptures into translated English such as the King James version of the Bible. The final result was a PROTEST and a revolution of the common man.......historically called the Protestant Reformation, where the lay people were finally allowed access to the content of the Bible which was previously reserved only for the educated clergy.

It was this PROESTANT MOVEMENT that eventually resulted in the creation of the United States of America.......and why the Bill of Rights specifically prohibits the central government from enacting legislation that favors one religion over another, where the atheist, the agnostic and the religious can all pursue their personal ideologies void of government interference (in theory). Its clear after 250 chipping away at our constitutional rights........the government attempts to use the constitution and bill of rights as a hammer against THE PEOPLE instead of using it as it was designed, to place restrictions and limits upon the STATE (federal government). Today the radical courts attempt to interpret the constitution as placing limits upon THE PEOPLE.

Actually it was the Geneva Bible which was created, funded, and paid for by Calvinists hiding in Geneva Switzerland to escape from Bloody Mary. When Elizabeth (the virgin queen) came into power she played both sides but continued with the Church of England. The KJV came much later.
But the Geneva Bible was the main bible of the Reformation and the Renaissance. It was the common man's bible. It wasn't until after this that the various "denominations" began to war with each other inside of England. Oh the 100 years war was going on in the North towards Germany...but the real push came later...and as American Colonists settled here they brought their ideologies with them...and their guerrilla warfare.
That famous letter of Church vs State was referencing the Church of Virginia vs the Church of Pennsylvania and how the Federal Government had no right to interfere in how the Church of Virginia behaved within their borders. It was a backhanded statement suggesting they actually build a wall for protection against Virginia.

Not exactly what people want to hear these days eh?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Senator Ted Cruz slammed MSNBC for touting an anti-Thanksgiving message.
The MSNBC segment - featuring Gyasi Ross, who is Native American - argued that white people have an inaccurate perception of Thanksgiving and blamed the Pilgrims for the racial inequalities impacting the United States now.
'Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence. That genocide and violence is still on the menu,'

Ted Cruz blasts MSNBC over Thanksgiving white supremacy essay

Cruz argued MSNBC and correspondent Gyasi Ross were touting a message of: 'Thanksgiving sucks. Come for the lies; stay for the anti-American hate'. Several Republicans echoed Cruz's criticisms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Comment:
We can't change the past.
So, hating the present generation of the eeeeviiilll white oppressors for the things that past generations did is dumb.
Thanksgiving brings with it another opportunity for the crazy racist Democrats to spread more of their vile hate.
Ross obviously loathes white people.
Ross is promoting the mythology that all of the Native Americans were peaceful.
Ross is glossing over the many massacres that some Native Americans did to Settlers.
We should not be hating each other for things done by past generations.
Thanksgiving should be a time for healing and being thankful for our families and our friends.
Thanksgiving should transcend racial antipathy.
Ross should be thankful for democracy, indoor plumbing, electricity, cars, planes, trains, air conditioning, medical advancements, paved roads, light bulbs, telephones, internet.......

Of course it is. Everything is racist and all white folks are racist.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

That's a just plain silly question. Of course it's racist. Everything is racist. Name a thing that is not.

If roads are racist, then everything is.

 

[Blues Man]

I don't know. With Biden for the last miserable, pathetic year, can you think much to be thankful for except you're breathing oxygen?

Maybe we should just skip it to after midterms, then we can rejoice and be thankful again

If 'you're not thankful for opening your eyes every day then you need to reevaluate your priorities.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

If 'you're not thankful for opening your eyes every day then you need to reevaluate your priorities.

I woke up to 60 degrees and 9 holes of golf. God I love Global Warming. I've golfed as many times in Nov the last few yrs as I do in June......lololol................As long as it isn't windy and hits 55 plus, I've done shit loads in Dec and half of Jan...lolol

 

[Aletheia4u]

Senator Ted Cruz slammed MSNBC for touting an anti-Thanksgiving message.
The MSNBC segment - featuring Gyasi Ross, who is Native American - argued that white people have an inaccurate perception of Thanksgiving and blamed the Pilgrims for the racial inequalities impacting the United States now.
'Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence. That genocide and violence is still on the menu,'

Ted Cruz blasts MSNBC over Thanksgiving white supremacy essay

Cruz argued MSNBC and correspondent Gyasi Ross were touting a message of: 'Thanksgiving sucks. Come for the lies; stay for the anti-American hate'. Several Republicans echoed Cruz's criticisms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Comment:
We can't change the past.
So, hating the present generation of the eeeeviiilll white oppressors for the things that past generations did is dumb.
Thanksgiving brings with it another opportunity for the crazy racist Democrats to spread more of their vile hate.
Ross obviously loathes white people.
Ross is promoting the mythology that all of the Native Americans were peaceful.
Ross is glossing over the many massacres that some Native Americans did to Settlers.
We should not be hating each other for things done by past generations.
Thanksgiving should be a time for healing and being thankful for our families and our friends.
Thanksgiving should transcend racial antipathy.
Ross should be thankful for democracy, indoor plumbing, electricity, cars, planes, trains, air conditioning, medical advancements, paved roads, light bulbs, telephones, internet.......

He is antisemitic. In the O.T. Every feast was an offering of Thanks. And most of the feast like the Passover have to be eaten before the next evening. and the pilgrims were strongly religious at the time. That they have followed their Bible word by word. And the neighbors in the O.T. are the neighboring tribes that are not descendants of Israel that left Egypt with the Israelites.


Exodus 12:4
If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat.

Leviticus 16:29
“This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month, you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you—


Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

Ruth 2:7
She said, ‘Please let me glean and gather among the sheaves behind the harvesters.’ She came into the field and has remained here from morning till now, except for a short rest in the shelter.”

Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

 

[Clyde 154]

Actually it was the Geneva Bible which was created, funded, and paid for by Calvinists hiding in Geneva Switzerland to escape from Bloody Mary. When Elizabeth (the virgin queen) came into power she played both sides but continued with the Church of England. The KJV came much later.
But the Geneva Bible was the main bible of the Reformation and the Renaissance. It was the common man's bible. It wasn't until after this that the various "denominations" began to war with each other inside of England. Oh the 100 years war was going on in the North towards Germany...but the real push came later...and as American Colonists settled here they brought their ideologies with them...and their guerrilla warfare.
That famous letter of Church vs State was referencing the Church of Virginia vs the Church of Pennsylvania and how the Federal Government had no right to interfere in how the Church of Virginia behaved within their borders. It was a backhanded statement suggesting they actually build a wall for protection against Virginia.

Not exactly what people want to hear these days eh?

Exactly.............the radical court system today uses sources other than the constitution to establish precedent, such as the historical letter that found a Baptist preacher corresponding with Thomas Jefferson about his fear that the federal government was going enact legislation that would outlaw his particular denomination of religion and establish just one religion when Jefferson pointed out that the Bill of Rights protected both his state and person against federal intervention....there was a wall established in the Bill of Rights. This one statement was inverted by the court to use as a hammer against the STATES/PEOPLES...

Today they reference this letter and invert its true purpose and rule that a WALL EXISTS at the federal level that protects the FEDS against any religion when in reality its THE PEOPLE that are protected from the FEDS....as they have changed the meaning of Freedom OF religion to Freedom FROM religion in the language found in the Amendment protecting the PEOPLES RIGHT to practice religion. According to the court system WE THE PEOPLE no longer have protection against federal intervention, the Feds have protection against THE PEOPLE'S religious agenda.

Besides referencing sources such as this private correspondence.......the courts often use sources generated by the Media to establish legal precedent.........and previous court cases from history that are antiquated in their text and subject matter.
In other words the courts establish their own legal boundaries via self profession while totally ignoring the LITERAL LANGUAGE in the Bill of Rights..........especially the language found in the 10th amendment that clearly gives any language not found in the Constitution or following amendments to THE PEOPLE/STATES.....not the FEDERAL COURT.

Basically the Federal Courts have established an illegal "Oligarchy" in the Judicial Branch that puts an end to the Separation of Powers and gives the Judicial Branch totally autonomy over the rights of THE PEOPLE. They self profess to have the power and authority to change or add to the language found in the constitution void of any representation from the people.....THEY DECLARE THEY HAVE THE POWER TO LEGISLATE from the bench via personal interpretation of the Constitution.......when their constitutional authority ends at ARBITRATION not SELF LEGISATION. In other words their duty is to compare any case presented to them with the actual text of the constitution....it is not to add or change language.......I.E.,

We, the court, THINK this language means this instead of that, now we have NEW LAW that has never been subject to any type of representation from or by THE PEOPLE.

 

[JohnDB]

Exactly.............the radical court system today uses sources other than the constitution to establish precedent, such as the historical letter that found a Baptist preacher corresponding with Thomas Jefferson about his fear that the federal government was going enact legislation that would outlaw his particular denomination of religion and establish just one religion when Jefferson pointed out that the Bill of Rights protected both his state and person against federal intervention....there was a wall established in the Bill of Rights. This one statement was inverted by the court to use as a hammer against the STATES/PEOPLES...

Today they reference this letter and invert its true purpose and rule that a WALL EXISTS at the federal level that protects the FEDS against any religion when in reality its THE PEOPLE that are protected from the FEDS....as they have changed the meaning of Freedom OF religion to Freedom FROM religion in the language found in the Amendment protecting the PEOPLES RIGHT to practice religion. According to the court system WE THE PEOPLE no longer have protection against federal intervention, the Feds have protection against THE PEOPLE'S religious agenda.

Besides referencing sources such as this private correspondence.......the courts often use sources generated by the Media to establish legal precedent.........and previous court cases from history that are antiquated in their text and subject matter.
In other words the courts establish their own legal boundaries via self profession while totally ignoring the LITERAL LANGUAGE in the Bill of Rights..........especially the language found in the 10th amendment that clearly gives any language not found in the Constitution or following amendments to THE PEOPLE/STATES.....not the FEDERAL COURT.

Basically the Federal Courts have established an illegal "Oligarchy" in the Judicial Branch that puts an end to the Separation of Powers and gives the Judicial Branch totally autonomy over the rights of THE PEOPLE. They self profess to have the power and authority to change or add to the language found in the constitution void of any representation from the people.....THEY DECLARE THEY HAVE THE POWER TO LEGISLATE from the bench via personal interpretation of the Constitution.......when their constitutional authority ends at ARBITRATION not SELF LEGISATION. In other words their duty is to compare any case presented to them with the actual text of the constitution....it is not to add or change language.

Oh yeah...
Today we have legislators enacting such legislation as minimum sentencing guidelines and fines and creating agencies that rule without legislation...

So the courts have been writing legislation from the bench...(Brian A settlements and Federal marriage rights)

And while those two branches are fighting and powerless we have presidents acting like dictators violating personal liberties.
And Congress so divided they can't or won't hold anyone accountable for their overreaches. They are too busy lining their pockets to care.

 

[Clyde 154]

Oh yeah...
Today we have legislators enacting such legislation as minimum sentencing guidelines and fines and creating agencies that rule without legislation...

So the courts have been writing legislation from the bench...(Brian A settlements and Federal marriage rights)

And while those two branches are fighting and powerless we have presidents acting like dictators violating personal liberties.
And Congress so divided they can't or won't hold anyone accountable for their overreaches. They are too busy lining their pockets to care.

The "bottom line" that people refuse to see or simply refuse to accept as reality: Why these 3 branches of government are pitted against one another because of the Oligarchy that is the Supreme Court that has the final authority with its self professed power can and does change legislated law with a simple sound of a Judicial Gavel........THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT (controlled entirely by elite billionaires and special interest contractors that control the purse string of our DEFENSE AGENCIES...i.e., the military industrial complex that was warned by IKE in the 50s) comes in and uses its covert powers to Blackmail, Falsely accuse and sentence, to engage in FALSE FLAG attacks on THE PEOPLE in order to establish a supposed need for agencies such as HOME LAND SECURITY....etc.

These covert agencies control all the strings........from the ability to hack voting machines, to having our schools and churches attacked with some false flag movement to take away the citizens right of self protection. Its the same as all the other historical examples when a fascist dictatorship is being established.

1. They take away all the weapons from free citizens 2. They take total control a nations education system (as Hitler declared, give me your children to teach and I will give you power) 3. They take control of the banking system (just like the elite banking families that used covert methods that established the Federal Reserve where just a handful of powerful rich banking families control the entire economy of the US using an altered form of Keynesian economics where the Central Government is always in debt by using and backing a currency that is basically worthless as far as real property is concerned. 4. They take control of the Health Industry ...... with a promise of FREE HEALTHCARE......that simply overwhelms the need of the PEOPLE and produces a STATE with the power to pick and choose who is worthy of receiving life saving treatment depending upon the value of the patient to the collective state.

We are well within our 5th decade of this covert attack on our republic..........the people have been dumbed down to the point by public education they are nothing but sheep being led to the slaughter as pawns of the STATE. Look at all the endless wars that have resulted in nothing other than a great expenditure by our MILITARY and MILITARY contractors. Those elite that are hiding in the shadows have become uber wealthy and powerful.

This is the reason they constantly place into positions of authority those who can easy be manipulated like puppets....... (they use blackmail, threats of death, wire tapping...etc.) When a few patriots from within the Shadow Government decided to take action and place a President into power that refused to go along with program ..........all hell has broken out over the past 5 years. You are witnessing the constant destruction of our Constitution one drip at a time.....drip, drip, drip...........

Hopefully the silent majority will be awakened before its to late. Right now they can't see the simple truth........The big "R" is simply the flipside of the Same big "D" coin, they are all being controlled in order to pit the people against one another as it much easier to control when chaos exists........

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It is obvious. For one this it was written by a black journalist without a single peer reviewed opinion. The nation did not begin in 1619. That is absurd. The revolutionary War was not fought to preserve slavery. That is ludicrous. Black people are preening pigeon feathers saying they are peacocks. The blacks in the country then as now were and are worthless afterthoughts who are trying to be more than they ever were.

Dear Tipsy, Let me start by saying thank you! Thank you for giving me the incentive to further investigate the 1619 project. To be honest, I did not realize how controversial it is not only politically, but also in academic circles. I learned some interesting things which I will share with you and the board below.

However I must also first say this. When I discover that there are plausible and legitimate, and alternative viewpoints, I use it as an opportunity to learn. You on the other hand, arrogantly present your viewpoint as the whole truth and the only truth. You either ignore any alternative views as though they do not exist, or you are to ignorant and incurious to even know that they are out there. You consistently fall back on your dogma and appeal to authority logical fallacies. In addition, your judgement and perceptions ore obviously clouded by your obvious and unabashed bigotry

Now let’s put our adult hats on, stop trying to score points, cut the partisan bullshit and take a collegial of what really happened with the New York Times 1619 project although I have my doubts about your ability to see past your bigotry and be able to do so

Fact Checking the 1619 Project and Its Critics – AIER

The New York Times’ 1619 Project entered a new phase of historical assessment when the paper published a scathing criticism by five well-known historians of the American Revolution and Civil War eras.

So for starters, the NYT was honest enough to publish what the critics of the project had to say:

The newspaper’s editor-in-chief Jake Silverstein then responded with a point-by-point rebuttal of the historians, defending the project.
Each deserve to be taken seriously, as they form part of a larger debate on the merits of the 1619 Project as a work of history and its intended use in the K-12 classroom curriculum.

Now let’s look at your assertion that the Revolution was not about slavery.
There are plausible arguments to be made on both sides, but again I suspect that you will dismiss any evidence that slavery played a role, just like bigots insist that the civil war was not about slavery. Why such investment in believing that neither of these wars were about slavery? I suspect that it has something to do with the underlying belief that slavery was not such a bad thing and not worth going to war over. ( The fact is that the Civil War was not initiated by the North to abolish slavery, but by the South for fear of abolition- but it was indeed about slavery) In any case, it’s interesting that racists like you always deny that these wars were about slavery just like you deny that racial strife today is about race.

Having said that, let’s look at one of your statements-The the Revolutionary War was not fought to preserve slavery-which may or may not be true in whole or in part- but which you present as unshakeable gospel

Fact Checking the 1619 Project and Its Critics – AIER

One of the most hotly contested claims of the 1619 Project appears in its introductory essay by Nikole Hannah-Jones, who writes “one of the primary reasons the colonists decided to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the institution of slavery.”
Hannah-Jones cites this claim to two historical events. The first is the 1772 British legal case of Somerset v. Stewart, which reasoned from English common law that a slave taken by his owner from the colonies to Great Britain could not be legally held against his will. England had never established slavery by positive law, therefore Somerset was free to go.

The other side of the story is:

That much noted, Hannah-Jones’s argument must be assessed against the broader context of British emancipation. It is here that the five historians gain the stronger case. First, despite both its high symbolic importance and later use as a case precedent, the Somerset ruling was only narrowly applied as a matter of law. It did not portend impending emancipation across the empire, nor did its reach extend to either the American colonies or their West Indian neighbors where a much larger plantation economy still thrived.
It is also entirely unrealistic to speculate that Britain would have imposed emancipation in the American colonies had the war for independence gone the other way.

You see Tipsy, this is what is called a discussion. It is a fair and ballanced intellectual inquiry with an open mind. Try it sometime

And have a great Indiginous Peoples Day

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The white people suffered just as much if not MORE than the natives. It was a war.

So what? Even if true, it does not mitigate or justify the harm inflicted on the Natives by the settlers . You are basically enploying two logical fallacies intended to avoid the topic of the white man's atrocities.

First of all it is a red herring fallacy, A divergences from the topic and an attempt to derail it

But better yet, you seem to be implying that those of us who want to focus on the cruelty inflicted on the tribes by the settlers rather than the shortcommings of the Natives themselves are somehow hypocrits, another manuver to avaid a serious discussion of the topic

Appeal to Hypocrisy: the Tu Quoque Fallacy - Home For ...​

Appeal to Hypocrisy: the Tu Quoque Fallacy - Home For Fiction - Blog

The appeal to hypocrisy fallacy, also known as "tu quoque" is extremely prevalent in internet discussions. Here's how to recognize it.

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Dec 27, 2018 · As with all fallacies, the Appeal to Hypocrisy is an attempt to ameliorate one’s argument with parameters that do not stand the test of argumentation and logic. Generally speaking, a person committing a fallacy might do it inadvertently; that is to say, without intent. Here’s an example: Everyone at the office agrees, the boss is stupid.

I'll bet you will only have the white meat tomorrow

 

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So what? Even if true, it does not mitigate or justify the harm inflicted on the Natives by the settlers . You are basically enploying two logical fallacies intended to avoid the topic of the white man's atrocities.

First of all it is a red herring fallacy, A divergences from the topic and an attempt to derail it

But better yet, you seem to be implying that those of us who want to focus on the cruelty inflicted on the tribes by the settlers rather than the shortcommings of the Natives themselves are somehow hypocrits, another manuver to avaid a serious discussion of the topic



I'll bet you will only have the white meat tomorrow

Yes. Yes. Hypocrites is a good word. You cannot have a serious discussion because you have both idealized and infantileized the Native Americans. They were fierce and bloodthirsty killers. They did not dance around in a circle sprinkling flower petals
The settlers seldom inflicted atrocities. That was the army. The settlers just got slaughtered by the natives. An isolated family was always going to be easy targets for a war party.