Is Obamacare Really Creating Jobs?

[BlueGin]

Yes. All of the people running it have a job, are over paid and are sucking it dry.

 

[Arianrhod]

Yes. All of the people running it have a job, are over paid and are sucking it dry.

Proof?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Like this blog here says:

Obamacare Is Adding Jobs To Healthcare IT

Wondering what the general opinion is on this, seeing that I have come across many reports that are to the contrary.

Who cares if it's creating y jobs while wasting 2000y money.

Is that 2000 yen or 2000 yuan, whose money are you talking about, and where are you getting that figure from?

Y is a variable.

 

[Arianrhod]

Like this blog here says:

Obamacare Is Adding Jobs To Healthcare IT

Wondering what the general opinion is on this, seeing that I have come across many reports that are to the contrary.

Who cares if it's creating y jobs while wasting 2000y money.

Is that 2000 yen or 2000 yuan, whose money are you talking about, and where are you getting that figure from?

Y is a variable.

So no actual data, then, just "whatever we want it to say."

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Like this blog here says:

Obamacare Is Adding Jobs To Healthcare IT

Wondering what the general opinion is on this, seeing that I have come across many reports that are to the contrary.

Who cares if it's creating y jobs while wasting 2000y money.

Is that 2000 yen or 2000 yuan, whose money are you talking about, and where are you getting that figure from?

Y is a variable.

So no actual data, then, just "whatever we want it to say."

My insurance rates more than tripled over night. That's more than enough data for me.

 

[Arianrhod]

Like this blog here says:

Obamacare Is Adding Jobs To Healthcare IT

Wondering what the general opinion is on this, seeing that I have come across many reports that are to the contrary.

Who cares if it's creating y jobs while wasting 2000y money.

Is that 2000 yen or 2000 yuan, whose money are you talking about, and where are you getting that figure from?

Y is a variable.

So no actual data, then, just "whatever we want it to say."

My insurance rates more than tripled over night. That's more than enough data for me.

That's an anecdote, and probably untrue (or you're not smart enough to figure out how to change insurers). Data mean large, verifiable numbers. You have none. Which of your masters are you parroting?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Who cares if it's creating y jobs while wasting 2000y money.

Is that 2000 yen or 2000 yuan, whose money are you talking about, and where are you getting that figure from?

Y is a variable.

So no actual data, then, just "whatever we want it to say."

My insurance rates more than tripled over night. That's more than enough data for me.

That's an anecdote, and probably untrue (or you're not smart enough to figure out how to change insurers). Data mean large, verifiable numbers. You have none. Which of your masters are you parroting?

You're an idiot. My personal rates more than tripled. That's not a fucking anecdote or parroting anyone; that's sh** hitting home. Think for once.

 

[Arianrhod]

My personal rates more than tripled. That's not a fucking anecdote...

So you don't know what an anecdote is. Need some help with that?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

My personal rates more than tripled. That's not a fucking anecdote...

So you don't know what an anecdote is. Need some help with that?

It's not merely an anecdote is thE fucking point. Stop being trite in an effort to spin. This was the truth bomb:

RATES MORE THAN FUCKING TRIPLED.

SO, FUCK YOU AND EVERY OBAMACARE ENABLER. COS I AIN'T PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE TO TAKE YOUR UTTER BULL SHIT IN ANY DEGREE.

 

[Arianrhod]

RATES MORE THAN FUCKING TRIPLED.

No.

You claim your rate tripled. You. One person. If asked to prove your assertion, you couldn't.

If I thought you were being truthful, I would point you - as I have numerous other posters here - in the direction of a better insurer.

But, for starters, I don't believe you're being truthful.

Additionally, you are attempting to apply your - alleged - individual situation to the entire population of the United States. Again, with no evidence whatsoever.

So go ahead and have another tantrum. You're really good at that.

 

[MarathonMike]

The medical field has been expanding for years due the aging of America not because of Obamacare. You can credit Obamacare for an increase in the number of lawyers and malpractice insurance specialists.

 

[Arianrhod]

The medical field has been expanding for years due the aging of America not because of Obamacare. You can credit Obamacare for an increase in the number of lawyers and malpractice insurance specialists.

Recent data show that Millennials now outnumber Boomers, so that first item will balance out.

As for your second sentence, your side's been yowling about "tort reform" since John Edwards was a Senator, so I'd like to see some actual data indicating that lawyers and malpractice specialists suddenly started popping up like dandelions beginning in January 2009.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

RATES MORE THAN FUCKING TRIPLED.

No.

You claim your rate tripled. You. One person. If asked to prove your assertion, you couldn't.

If I thought you were being truthful, I would point you - as I have numerous other posters here - in the direction of a better insurer.

But, for starters, I don't believe you're being truthful.

Additionally, you are attempting to apply your - alleged - individual situation to the entire population of the United States. Again, with no evidence whatsoever.

So go ahead and have another tantrum. You're really good at that.

Am I supposed to e-mail you my account history? I don't give two shits about what you think I can "prove" or what you would want me to "prove" when it comes to my personal information. I'll tell you that I was mad and sent a mailer to my state insurance commissioner, who actually sent me back a letter pretending he didn't have authority to regulate it when I know specifically that's one of his highest duties. I also sent my information to newspapers who are apparently blocking for Obamacare b/c none of the liberal rags responded to me.

When Trump says rates going 5-55 percent up he's going off a statistical mean, or he is unaware of the higher price gouging cases, or he is doing damage control for GOP who were complicit in Obamacare. In my case, my rate went up more than 300 percent.

If you want to call my reaction a tantrum, that doesn't bother me. I think Americans shouldn't be putting up with this sh**.

 

[Arianrhod]

RATES MORE THAN FUCKING TRIPLED.

No.

You claim your rate tripled. You. One person. If asked to prove your assertion, you couldn't.

If I thought you were being truthful, I would point you - as I have numerous other posters here - in the direction of a better insurer.

But, for starters, I don't believe you're being truthful.

Additionally, you are attempting to apply your - alleged - individual situation to the entire population of the United States. Again, with no evidence whatsoever.

So go ahead and have another tantrum. You're really good at that.

Am I supposed to e-mail you my account history?

No, you're supposed to present actual data proving your claim that EVERYBODY IN AMERICA SAW THEIR PREMIUMS TRIPLE JUST BECAUSE YOURS [supposedly] DID.

You can't. So you'll just keep yelling. Carry on.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

RATES MORE THAN FUCKING TRIPLED.

No.

You claim your rate tripled. You. One person. If asked to prove your assertion, you couldn't.

If I thought you were being truthful, I would point you - as I have numerous other posters here - in the direction of a better insurer.

But, for starters, I don't believe you're being truthful.

Additionally, you are attempting to apply your - alleged - individual situation to the entire population of the United States. Again, with no evidence whatsoever.

So go ahead and have another tantrum. You're really good at that.

Am I supposed to e-mail you my account history?

No, you're supposed to present actual data proving your claim that EVERYBODY IN AMERICA SAW THEIR PREMIUMS TRIPLE JUST BECAUSE YOURS [supposedly] DID.

You can't. So you'll just keep yelling. Carry on.

Thanks for telling me what I'm 'supposed to do.' I never claimed everyone's claims tripled, dude. I relayed how my rates for my plan more than tripled..And you cut off my statement, which is disingenuous.

Health care has not been fixed; it's been broken. And it's only getting worse. If you had half a brain, you'd know this. Or you know it and don't care. You're probably just some stooge getting paid to stump for this nonsense.

 

[boedicca]

Obamacare is creating the wrong kind of jobs. Just sayin'.

 

[Arianrhod]

Obamacare is creating the wrong kind of jobs. Just sayin'.

View attachment 74167

Now compare population demographics between 1970 and the present and you'll find they track fairly parallel.

There is, however, a nursing shortage in this country. Why aren't more people able or willing to train as nurses?

 

[boedicca]

Obamacare is creating the wrong kind of jobs. Just sayin'.

View attachment 74167

Now compare population demographics between 1970 and the present and you'll find they track fairly parallel.

There is, however, a nursing shortage in this country. Why aren't more people able or willing to train as nurses?

Math challenged much? Please explain why the population of administrators would grow at a much higher rate than that of physicians. Here, I'll set it up for you:

If the rate of growth of administrators corresponds to the growth of the general population, then the ratio of physicians to the general population is: a: staying the same; b) increasing; or c) decreasing.

Which is it and why?

 

[Arianrhod]

Obamacare is creating the wrong kind of jobs. Just sayin'.

View attachment 74167

Now compare population demographics between 1970 and the present and you'll find they track fairly parallel.

There is, however, a nursing shortage in this country. Why aren't more people able or willing to train as nurses?

Math challenged much? Please explain why the population of administrators would grow at a much higher rate than that of physicians. Here, I'll set it up for you:

If the rate of growth of administrators corresponds to the growth of the general population, then the ratio of physicians to the general population is: a: staying the same; b) increasing; or c) decreasing.

Which is it and why?

Since your chart only goes up to 2009, and the PPACA was not passed until 2010, and not fully implemented until 2014, at a guess I'd say the increase in administrators had to do with the multiplicity of insurers and their multiplicity of forms and codes and mounds of paperwork which required more and more people to shuffle all that paper.

What you need to do is find a chart that starts in 2014 to see whether the figures from 2009 have increased, decreased, or remained the same. Can you do that?

 

[boedicca]

Obamacare is creating the wrong kind of jobs. Just sayin'.

View attachment 74167

Now compare population demographics between 1970 and the present and you'll find they track fairly parallel.

There is, however, a nursing shortage in this country. Why aren't more people able or willing to train as nurses?

Math challenged much? Please explain why the population of administrators would grow at a much higher rate than that of physicians. Here, I'll set it up for you:

If the rate of growth of administrators corresponds to the growth of the general population, then the ratio of physicians to the general population is: a: staying the same; b) increasing; or c) decreasing.

Which is it and why?

Since your chart only goes up to 2009, and the PPACA was not passed until 2010, and not fully implemented until 2014, at a guess I'd say the increase in administrators had to do with the multiplicity of insurers and their multiplicity of forms and codes and mounds of paperwork which required more and more people to shuffle all that paper.

What you need to do is find a chart that starts in 2014 to see whether the figures from 2009 have increased, decreased, or remained the same. Can you do that?

*sigh* It must be sad going through life in such an incurious fugue state. It's incredibly easy to find more information, if you actually cared to learn.

ObamaCare didn't cause the entire problem, but it is the continuation of increased regulation and government interference in the healthbcare market. The more government transfer pays for health care, the bigger the administration bloat (the same thing has happened to education, btw).

Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) and the American Medical Association, my colleagues and I found that from 1990 to 2012, the number of workers in the U.S. health system grew by nearly 75%. Nearly 95% of this growth was in non-doctor workers, and the ratio of doctors to non-doctor workers shifted from 1:14 to 1:16. On the basis of BLS median wages, this equates to $823,000 of labor cost per doctor. Demand and supply are not growing in tandem: from 2002 to 2012, inpatient days per capita decreased by 12% while the workforce in hospitals grew by 11%. This misalignment underlies some of the productivity decline we have observed in health care. Fortunately, we anticipate demand for health care to grow in 2014, so to the extent that jobs are not added, productivity gains are possible. Unfortunately, health care as an industry continues hiring far faster than demand is growing, adding 119,000 new workers in the first half of 2013, for example, with little increase in patient volume....

The Downside of Health Care Job Growth