Is obama a socilist, or a fascist?

[kaz]

I love the Rule of Law (our Constitution) that prevents the evils of the Rule of Man (the libertarian 'socieites of equals').

How are my views counter to the Constitution?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not my duty to be your conscience.

Follow the Constitution, Kaz, and you will be fine.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope, I know Uncensored.

He cannot be trusted in the Clean Debate zone and some few others cannot be trusted, either.

Uncensored can debate here without any problem.

Oh, about the language? Review the quality of his language, huh?

He is a coward to do it in a neutral thread.

He's a coward to do it in the Clean Zone where insults aren't tolerated? The only place where you can actually talk/debate and espouse ideas free from ridicule?

I'm with Uncensored here. If you want to talk about Marxism, Fascism, Socialism, Capitalism... do it in that thread, or in the Clean Zone. This board is for idiots to throw out empty minded one-line insults at each other in nearly every single thread.

 

[JakeStarkey]

To those who write, "I'm with Uncensored here. If you want to talk about Marxism, Fascism, Socialism, Capitalism... do it in that thread, or in the Clean Zone. This board is for idiots to throw out empty minded one-line insults at each other in nearly every single thread."

Yup, that is what Uncensored does for sure: "throw out empty minded one-line insults at . . . in nearly every single thread."

He can post here, and as I have always told him, polite is as polite does. I will treat him as he does others.

His choice.

 

[SnagNasty]

Well I guess he must be a marxist cause the Socialist party ain't claiming him

Greg Pason, National Secretary of the Socialist Party USA: “Barack Obama’s programs are not socialist. The vast majority of his proposals are anti-worker (or he might say ‘pro-business’). His health care proposals are more to save the for-profit insurance industry and do not have the goal of ending for-profit insurance. He has refused to support a Senate version of HR676, which would create a single-payer program (not socialist but much better than we have, and [which has] the support of labor and community organizations across the US). Many of his other economic proposals are pro-corporate.

A socialist program (even a reformist one) would not be a program that props up capitalism when it fails, but one that transforms the economy. None of Senator Obama’s proposals do that. Senator Obama’s tax plan is regressive and even less ‘progressive’ than programs put forward under such conservative administrations like the one of Richard Nixon.”

F.N. Brill, National Secretary of the World Socialist Party (US): “Obama is as much a socialist as the Pope is an atheist. Income redistribution isn’t a socialist act. It might aid in ameliorating income disparities within a capitalist economy for a limited time. But the logic of capitalism demands the rich grow richer (more capitalization is needed) and the poor grow poorer (their work creates the needed capital used by the rich).”

David Schaich, Socialist Party Campaign Clearinghouse Coordinator: “The idea that Barack Obama is socialist, or quasi-socialist, or semi-socialist, or socialist-light, or anything of the sort, is far-right nonsense. Barack Obama, like John McCain, is very much a ‘politician as usual,’fully committed to the continuation of the capitalist system and the expansion of its empire.”

 

[kaz]

Not my duty to be your conscience.

Follow the Constitution, Kaz, and you will be fine.

What does it have to do with my "conscience?" You're full of it, I follow the Constitution and you don't. When you brought that into it, your choices become either stand and fight or run away, so far we know what the answer is.

 

[Neotrotsky]

You are as stupid as Uncensored

Thanks! I think uncensored makes a lot of sense

Sure does

But the last thing 'concern trolls' care about is the
truth or real debate

Besides this 'concern troll' has been caught before
in lies- see here

So their opinion holds little to no real value,
outside of the pure entertainment value of seeing
leftist posters, mentally breakdown .... as Papa Obama
and his radical leftist ideas are being rejected by the US voter
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Side note
what is this concern troll's fascination with 'male customers'

Sounds like a bad case of "Concern Troll" psychological projection


Here boy

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hi, NeoTroll. Posts 904 and 905 answer your silliness.

Now scamper down to the basement to join Uncensored in the pursuit of his pleasures.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Like Papa Obama can't debate

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is the chicken suit that Uncensored wanted you to wear for the male customers? Please, don't share.

 

[Neotrotsky]

"Concern Troll" psychological projection
in action

 

[JakeStarkey]

NeoTroll is cluck clucking again.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Like a someone who commits perjury
a poster caught in the act of falsifying

their opinion holds no real value

 

[kaz]

NeoTroll is cluck clucking again.

Since you're the one who's running away and hiding, I'd say the chicken suit looks perfectly on you. You brought up that you follow the Constitution, not me, and when I asked how, since then, when danger reared it's ugly head, Sir Jake turned his tail and fled...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Kaz and NeoTroll in their chicken suits kluck kluck klux kluxing again.

No sane person worries what is going on in the heads of those truly weird reactionaries beyond the far right and the worse sorts of libertarians. They are broken in their heads. Nothing will change.

Just mock them when they come out in the open.

 

[Foxfyre]

You guys know I love you dearly. At least most of you. And I do think this is a topic of interest to thinking people. Not so much the trolls. So when you all regain your senses and stop allowing one member to effectively derail the thread--you know he's laughing at all of you as you take the bait again and again--I hope we can get back to the topic.

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, Obama is neither a socialist or a fascist. He is a left of center social democrat, a left leaning progressive statist. We have many right leaning conservative statists who pretend to be small government but are quite willing to use big government statism to get their cultural and economic ways.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Neither. we need a new word for Obama. His style is a mix of Several Ism's

But not from a lack of trying on his part...

Papa Obama is left as they come,,,
While many of his enablers on the left try to mute or downplay with feeble attempts
to normalize his radical beliefs, they will claim he is a "centrist"
The man who said he would prefer single payer
got it...
The man who has campaigned for socialists
got it
The man who gets the endorsement of the US Communist party
got it

The parameters of our system keep most Presidents in check and
create the illusion of what you see as centrist. The system, as designed,
is limiting Papa Obama and slows him down.

Last election, when the press did not vet him properly
the centrist thing was an easier sell, as well. It is going to be a
lot tougher to sell that bag of goods, this time.

I realize that for many on the Left, Papa Obama does not make them happy for a variety of reason- he isn't fast enough, the wars, he didn't do x,y,or z etc
But, they will still vote for him, because they know he is their best hope for taking the country more left

First off, I would never expect Papa Obama to be Marxist
that is too revolutionary in its attempts and he doesn't have the intestinal
fortitude, for such a thing. What between his golf games and wagyu steak and vodka
martini parties, he is going to have an armed revolution? I can see it now
"Oh guys, let me finish this drink and I will be right there"

No Papa Obama is more of the boring garden variety leftists
like the European social democrats. He prefers the slow approach
where like the frog boiled in water slowly will not jump out.
But it does not mean his policies are any less disastrous for the US.
It just allows him to muddy the waters, so to speak

 

[American_Jihad]

Kaz and NeoTroll in their chicken suits kluck kluck klux kluxing again.

No sane person worries what is going on in the heads of those truly weird reactionaries beyond the far right and the worse sorts of libertarians. They are broken in their heads. Nothing will change.

Just mock them when they come out in the open.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU]YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sorry, AJ. You are broken in your head, too. Sorry to leave such a loser as you out.