HaShev
Gold Member
- Jun 19, 2009
- 17,782
- 7,093
- 335
- Thread starter
- #21
That's extremely easy to understand, even to a neophyte student of Scripture. Jesus operated openly and taught openly. He also taught some things that were only for His disciples to understand AT THAT TIME. Notice that we now have the explanation of the parables He taught. IOW, there were no secret plots to overthrow Rome or the Jewish power structure of the day, only secrets about the Kingdom to be revealed at a later time. What is hard to understand about that?You are aware, are you not, that the choices presented were: Is "Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation"?I'm going with you presenting false choices.I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.
They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .
There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.
So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?
Dear hadit
They may be false to you but true for someone else.
Like explaining quantum physics may not work for me but might be perfect for someone else.
Let me give you one example of something JM was teaching:
She compared God's love and grace to the loving
parent who had warned their kids over and over
to stay away from trouble and don't go anywhere without asking permission
so the parents can watch out for them.
But the kids disobeyed and went out anyway and got in trouble with
the neighborhood bully coming after them.
Does the parent/God stop and hold the kid responsible for disobeying?
Any parent would protect that kid from the bully first, and go admonish them later.
So she used this story to explain that God does not reject and judge
and refuse to help us just because we disobeyed and did wrong.
We still face those consequences though God will protect us
when we ask.
So that's a good example of her philosophy and balancing the sides
and still having accountability.
is that false teaching? I think it works for people who
understand parenting. hadit
I don't think either of them are true. In fact, the second one is based on a falsehood. Joyce Meyer is not incorrect.
Explain why, because both your posts are blanket subjective opinions without reasons or subtance in rebuttle.
Which brings up a whole other discussion as to how easy non descriptive commentary can be missread and missinterpreted, which is why I'm always thoroughly explainatory (using parenthesis to define or eleviate confusion). Was Jesus (the writers of) obviously too vague? Yes, which he (writers) himself (themselves) denounces then does himself anyway(lies).
Example: John 18:19-21 The high priest then asked Jesus about his disciples, and about his doctrine. Jesus answered him:
"I spoke in openness to the world;
I always taught in the synagogue and the temple, where the Jews always come;
and I have said nothing in secret.
however we see:
Mark 4:10-12
But, when he was in private... the twelve asked him the meaning of the parable. And he said, "You are permitted to know the SECRETS of the kingdom of God.But to those outside, these things are said in parables,SO THAT they MAY see but not perceive, and MAY hear but not understand...
Matt 13:10-15
And the disciples came and asked, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" He answered, "Because you are permitted to know the SECRETS of the kingdom of heaven, but they are not permitted."
Why, is it because they would leave if they knew it was Hades?
1)the church who created the Jesus character knew nothing about anything.
They couldn't even get the meaning of scripture they plagiarized right.
It is why the RCC uses the blanket term "Mysteries".
2)your comment contradicts and does NOT answer those veres I left as just a small sample.
3)2 of the figures used for the Jesus myth were revolting against Rome.
Yehuda the Galilean tax revolter used for the Jesus character in Bill O'Reilly's book, who was the Galilean christ in the time of Herod and Lysanias per NT was punished (crucified) for his tax revolt by Rome in 6bc.
That was not the same as the AD era christ Theudas by the Jordan crucified by Rome for his political revolt in 45 ad who's apostles were Martyrs and revolutionaries against Rome.
4)the church made it clear that the God of this world was their adversary(stated that in the NT) and that way they claim death as theirs, so they can promise soldiers and donators a false promise and hope of paradise in death, unsuspectedly.
That way they get willing dupes who
willingly die for their kings & leaders, who Shimon pointed out are not in any rush to enter paradise in death themselves.
5) The kingdom is of the messenger of Life(blessing) not Jesus the messenger of death(the curse).
source: “War Scroll” (4Q471)
Where in verse XVII, it says, “God will send eternal bliss by the might of the Princely Angel of "the Kingdom of Michael".
He will enlighten with joy the children of Israel.