Is financial relief for the unemployed an example of socialism?

[The Rabbi]

According to Rabbi?

Is it capitalism Storkey?

No one has paid in 99 weeks' worth of premiums for unemployment. Four weeks I can see. Even 3 months' worth. But when you get to 2 years you are simply paying people not to work. And that is socialism.

 

[Oddball]

It doesn't start out as socialism/welfare as there is money paid in, by employers, to a fund to pay the unemployment compensation.
With all the extensions that have been tacked on states no longer have the money in their respective funds to pay the compensation.
As a result the Fed has had to pick up the tab.
Now, the Fed doesn't have an unemployment compensation fund so they can only reach into the tax jar.

Yay!!! More unfunded liabilities to explode our debt!!

And what better use of borrowed money? Is it stupid to assist fellow Americans who worked for years to buy a home and support their families while we spend billions of dollars on a military spread around the world, more than a billion to build and Embassy in Iraq?

False dichotomies born of moral relativism are irrelevant.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You, oddball, are the epitome of moral relativism.

 

[Charles_Main]

Not the first 26 weeks. For those your employer pays 10% of your salary into Unemployment Insurance. Anything past the 26 weeks is straight Socialism.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not the first 26 weeks. For those your employer pays 10% of your salary into Unemployment Insurance. Anything past the 26 weeks is straight Socialism.

Social democracy, perhaps; socialism, absolutely not.

 

[Wry Catcher]

According to Rabbi?

And Rabbi is a known liar, and an asshole.

 

[The Rabbi]

According to Rabbi?

And Rabbi is a known liar, and an asshole.

Translation: The Rabbi eats my lunch every time I try to debate him.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Well I have friends down her in Florida who are on unemployment. Believe me. They are in no hurry to look for work.

They are overjoyed that the unemployment gravy train will keep on chugging along. These folks have no intention of actually looking for a job until the free ride comes to a halt.

I wonder how many across America are thinking the same way???

Of course there are folks out there who are actually looking for work.+

Perhaps now that business knows the Bush tax cuts are in place for 2 years they will start expand and hire. I certainly hope so.

The only question now is how hard Obamacare is gonna hit business?? All those waivers are starting to tell a story.

And I know people that have lost their jobs, and have been pounding pavement for over a year looking for work.

Delta had 1000 opening for flight attendants, they received 100,000 applications. A school announced that there is a janitorial opening, and recieved 500 applications. Look in any paper, and you see the same kind of thing.

I really think that you are making up the your story, and are one hard hearted Conservative.

There are tons of jobs that go unfilled as well. Mainly because those jobs don't quite measure up or the jobs do not pay what some people think they are worth.
SO they collect. There are people who are ashamed to on UI. Others who are deaperate to work and take two jobs just be off the government tit.
Then there are those who think they are entitled to the largesse of others. THOSE are the people who should be cut off.

 

[Oddball]

You, oddball, are the epitome of moral relativism.

Fuck you, asshole.

 

[hipeter924]

It doesn't have to be socialist, but if it is a government run program which gets most of its funding from taxing the employed like in social welfare then yes it is, but saying that even non-for-profit organizations and charities can be socialist in nature, especially if the people who run them are socialist themselves.

PS: 100% employment is impossible because some people are too disabled to work, or have psychological or mental issues which make it too difficult for them to work, also people in education who are not working could also be classed as unemployed. So with no option for sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't I had to vote no.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You, oddball, are the epitome of moral relativism.

Fuck you, asshole.

You tell 'em Oddude; there's nothing moral about you.

 

[rikules]

Is financial relief for the unemployed an example of socialism?

as more and more jobs are outsourced
and more and more jobs are taken over by computers, robotics, machinary


there will come a day when vast segments of the population are unemployed....


if NOT for unemployment/social security/welfare....

should they all just die?


if the country/leaders/capitalists have decided that the MAIN GOAL is to un-employ as many Americans as possible....

should they just die?

 

[Charles_Main]

Not the first 26 weeks. For those your employer pays 10% of your salary into Unemployment Insurance. Anything past the 26 weeks is straight Socialism.

Social democracy, perhaps; socialism, absolutely not.

Call it what you want, Welfare, what ever. The point is the first 26 weeks is Insurance which all workers pay into. Anything after that 26 weeks is just the government straight up handing out money to people.

 

[midcan5]

Good answers above. Socialism today is just another word that means whatever the user means and is often used negatively as a cover and for obfuscation rather than clarification.

John Kenneth Galbraith wrote a fascinating piece calling baseball socialism in practice. LOL

"No one will be in doubt as to the nature of such socialist education and conditioning. Not individual achievement but group or communal effort is emphasized. There must be full conformity to the will of a leader; socialism, especially as seen by conservatives, is by nature authoritarian. Effort should not be in response to pecuniary compensation; all reward must be from achievement of shared goals. If there cannot be active personal participation in, and submission to, this socialist ethic, then, at a minimum, let all join to praise and applaud. Finally, let there be special concern that this socialist training come at an early and thus impressionable age." JKG Baseball - Socialist as Apple Pie - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com


[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Socialism-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192804316/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: Socialism: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions) (9780192804310): Michael Newman: Books[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

According to Rabbi?

And Rabbi is a known liar, and an asshole.

Translation: The Rabbi eats my lunch every time I try to debate him.

Translation: everyone takes Rabbi's lunch, and breakfast, and dinner, and brunch, and snacks here . . . and give them all to the poor and hungry.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You, oddball, are the epitome of moral relativism.

Fuck you, asshole.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is financial relief for the unemployed an example of socialism?

as more and more jobs are outsourced
and more and more jobs are taken over by computers, robotics, machinary


there will come a day when vast segments of the population are unemployed....


if NOT for unemployment/social security/welfare....

should they all just die?


if the country/leaders/capitalists have decided that the MAIN GOAL is to un-employ as many Americans as possible....

should they just die?

People saod the same thing as we transitioned from an agricultural economy to an industrial one. Vast numbers of people were unemployed by farm machinery. Guess what, just like those people didnt just sit around but found work in the new economy, so too will people today.
Unless of course gov't gives them an incentive to sit around and let their job skills deteriorate by paying them for 3 years not to work.

 

[editec]

Is financial relief for the unemployed an example of socialism?

Techncially speaking, no.

If one is going to discuss political science, then one is pretty much obligated to SPEAK using the argot of that science.

Hence the answer is:

NO, it is not.
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Socialism is when the government takes ownership of the means of production.

Welfare, unemployment insurance, and the host of other things that some of you might reasonably object to might be vexing and wrong headed policies, BUT THEY ARE NOT EXAMPLES OF SOCIALISM.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is financial relief for the unemployed an example of socialism?

Techncially speaking, no.

Ifg one is going to discuss political science, then one is [pretty much obligated to SPEAK using the argot of that science.

Hence the answer is

NO it is not.

Socialism is, when the government takes ownership of the means of production.

Welfare, unemployment insurance, and the host of other things that some of you object to might be reasonably objected to, BUT THEY ARE NOT EXAMPLES OF SOCIALISM

No, that is not the definition of socialism. That is the definition of communism.

 

[editec]

Techncially speaking, no.

Ifg one is going to discuss political science, then one is [pretty much obligated to SPEAK using the argot of that science.

Hence the answer is

NO it is not.

Socialism is, when the government takes ownership of the means of production.

Welfare, unemployment insurance, and the host of other things that some of you object to might be reasonably objected to, BUT THEY ARE NOT EXAMPLES OF SOCIALISM

No, that is not the definition of socialism. That is the definition of communism.

Wrong.

Not just a little wrong, you're totally wrong.

Which explains much about why you are so often wrong about so many things, Rab.

Ya see, you don't get to change definitions to suit your argument.

If you want to talk about POLISCI, then these words have SPECIFIC meanings.

The talking heads you count on to compensate for your lack of formal education are misleading you.

Read a book, amigo.

You're embarrassing yourself.