Discussion in 'Congress' started by Micky G. Jagger, Dec 7, 2010.
Is financial relief for the unemployed an example of socialism?
Techncially speaking, no.
Any and EVERYTHING that a government does can be THOUGHT TO BE socialism if that's how you define socialism.
Using the ignorant anti-political science that some of you folks use to define SOCIALISM:
Homeland security? socialism
Fighting terrorists at home or abroad? socialism
The entire military? socialism
However, if we use the word the way it was originally meant, then socialism is the state of affairs where the government OWNS the means of production.
That's what socialism is.
It's NOT welfare, or the military or the cournts or public roads, it's not education, or intelligence agencies, it's NOT even when the government bails out the banks.
Those things are POLCIES that any KIND of government is apt to do.
They are not socialISM.
They are, however socialisTIC, given that society elected to do them.
It doesn't start out as socialism/welfare as there is money paid in, by employers, to a fund to pay the unemployment compensation.
With all the extensions that have been tacked on states no longer have the money in their respective funds to pay the compensation.
As a result the Fed has had to pick up the tab.
Now, the Fed doesn't have an unemployment compensation fund so they can only reach into the tax jar.
Yay!!! More unfunded liabilities to explode our debt!!
I _THINK_ we all agree that it's 'Socialism...' But the 'Socialism' argument has become quite convoluted, and frankly, silly in the last 3 years or so. Socialism has been conflated with Communism. While Socialism is present in Communism, the presence of Socialism does not suggest the presence of Communism.
The extended unemployment benefits could Be construed as socialism by some I suppose.
Our tax payer funded education system is definately socialism.
Medciad is definately socialism.
Our road system is socialism.
Heck even our penal system could be called socialism.
But this is not to be confused with the old USSR's form of socialism.
Lets do away with all socialism.
No money /ins and hurt or sick you just die.
Parents cannnot afford the thousands per year cost of school? You remain ignorant.
Make every highway in america a private toll road?
Make prisoners pay for their own food in prison or they starve?
etc etc etc
"explode" is hyperbole.
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It wasn't the common laborer, skilled worker, or professional who is ASS OUT of any hope for A JOB that created the clusterfuck that tanked our economy, it was the captains of industry and commerce that did that by deregulating, downsizing, outsourcing, raping, pillaging, and skull fucking anything that moved. They were shortsighted (and continue to be), grasping (and continue to be), piss poor planners that (rather than who) have no idea how to build sustainability of a consumer base (their MARKET) into any business plan. Big fucking surprise, people without a job can't pay their bills, wages that don't keep up with the cost of living lead people to spend less, people spending less costs industries money in lost revenue, leading to more downsizing, outsourcing (because they just don't LEARN), raping, pillaging, and skull fucking of anything left breathing.
And at this point, they blame the government that (rather than who) is structured to help them by helping people at least meet the basic standards of survival (rent, electric, food, medical; these are also industries) and prevent a further slide downward which, of course, the captains of industry and commerce would take as a signal to downsize, outsource, rape, pillage, and skullfuck anything and anyone left standing, including itself.
They found its tail, and ate it. It then expected the government to pay for reconstructive surgery. It immediately blamed the government for providing it.
But hey, blame the poor bastard who's ASS OUT of any hope for meaningful employment.
Well I have friends down her in Florida who are on unemployment. Believe me. They are in no hurry to look for work.
They are overjoyed that the unemployment gravy train will keep on chugging along. These folks have no intention of actually looking for a job until the free ride comes to a halt.
I wonder how many across America are thinking the same way???
Of course there are folks out there who are actually looking for work.+
Perhaps now that business knows the Bush tax cuts are in place for 2 years they will start expand and hire. I certainly hope so.
The only question now is how hard Obamacare is gonna hit business?? All those waivers are starting to tell a story.
Correct. A very astute observation!
Lets not forget that several/many states reduced the unemployment ins rates on employers a few years ago thinking that everything was going to be fine forever. Here in KY they still have not reset the ins rates back up to where they were.
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