Iraq Insurgency Larger Than Thought

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    AP: Iraq Insurgency Larger Than Thought

    Thu Jul 8, 6:30 PM ET Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!


    By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Iraq (news - web sites) insurgency is far larger than the 5,000 guerrillas previously thought to be at its core, U.S. military officials say, and it's being led by well-armed Iraqi Sunnis angry at being pushed from power alongside Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).


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    Although U.S. military analysts disagree over the exact size, dozens of regional cells, often led by tribal sheiks and inspired by Sunni Muslim imams, can call upon part-time fighters to boost forces to as high as 20,000 — an estimate reflected in the insurgency's continued strength after U.S. forces killed as many as 4,000 in April alone.


    And some insurgents are highly specialized — one Baghdad cell, for instance, has two leaders, one assassin, and two groups of bomb-makers.


    The developing intelligence picture of the insurgency contrasts with the commonly stated view in the Bush administration that the fighting is fueled by foreign warriors intent on creating an Islamic state.


    "We're not at the forefront of a jihadist war here," said a U.S. military official in Baghdad, speaking on condition of anonymity.


    The official and others told The Associated Press the guerrillas have enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.


    The military official, who has logged thousands of miles driving around Iraq to meet with insurgents or their representatives, said a skillful Iraqi government could co-opt some of the guerrillas and reconcile with the leaders instead of fighting them.


    "I generally like a lot of these guys," he said. "We know who the key people are in all the different cities, and generally how they operate. The problem is getting actionable information so you can either attack them, arrest them or engage them."


    Even as Iraqi leaders wrangle over the contentious issue of offering a broad amnesty to guerrilla fighters, the new Iraqi military and intelligence corps have begun gathering and sharing information on the insurgents with the U.S. military, providing a sharper picture of a complex insurgency.


    "Nobody knows about Iraqis and all the subtleties in culture, appearance, religion and so forth better than Iraqis themselves," said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Daniel Baggio, a military spokesman at Multinational Corps headquarters in Baghdad. "We're very optimistic about the Iraqis' use of their own human intelligence to help root out these insurgents."

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    one question:

    Does this make you happy? Does it further your cause against the war? Is this good news to you?

    (well, okay, a few questions.)
     
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    i'll say this.. it is further proof that not just in the CIA, but in the Defense and State. Dept's, serious reform and restructuring is required, because they have been woefully equipped and/ or utilized in dealing with iraq from the very beginning of the reconstruction of iraq (after saddam's fall). every other day, we're hearing about how they're surprised by, caught unawares by, not ready for, unsure of... etc etc... these people (not the troops, the leaders and middlemen) have been bungling this badly from the beginning, and we've got to see change and improvement.

    its nowhere near good for this insurgency to be so large, its not just a challenge for the Coalition, but for the Iraqi gov't. so hopefully we will pull through this, but with the leadership (not bush, i'm talking DOD level guys, rumsfield, etc etc) involved now, it doesn't look very good.
     
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    Who says we have been surprised? Only the media is saying the military is "surprised" about this. From all the reports I have seen from DAY 1 the military and the administration has said that Iraq was NOT going to be easy.
     
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    that's a generalized statement... i could say life is hard but that doesn't mean i'll know my g/f gets raped, my house burns down, my job goes bankrupt, etc etc

    saying they said iraq wasn't going to be easy doesn't excuse them from missing the boat on almost every major development in the insurgency, the terrorist campaign, etc etc
     
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    Generally, when a bomb blows up in front of or under a person, they are surprised. No?
     
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    This is the kind of crap the media loves to engage in in election year. How about the part that they can't be defeated? Of course they can be defeated. That's just what the media likes to do to paint a grim as grim can be picture on things. I also believe there are definitely things that the Pentagon knows that we don't. Maybe they have known this for a while. These are estimates counting on the fact that angry Joe Blows will rise up with the terrorists. If that's the case,the U.S. can open a large can of whoopass whenever they want. The only reason they aren't all dead is because we are trying to spare civilian lives.
     
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    oh on that note, that little banner in the back.... i so appreciate how the political worms who work for him tried to say the Navy sailors wanted and put that up there... not us, no siree., that was y'all politicians :)
     
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    Um, yes, I believe that's why we have things like Top Secret clearance.
     

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