Iran dismisses possibility of conflict, says does not want war

[Coyote]

the only people who want war are the Psychocrats

yes, and unfortunately that describes those in charge.

 

[BWK]

The only ones trying to provoke war are those such as yourself falsely claiming others are.

Not defending anything. Stop deflecting. How exactly has it hurt us?


You are the one seemingly supporting yet another Mideast war in the guise of regime change.

Fucking with the strait of Hormuz fucks with the world economy.

What have they done to us specifically?

So far, there have been a lot of unsubstantiated claims that seemed designed to provoke Iran and set the stage for a war.

Have you seen any evidence of specific hostile actions directed at us?

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

And your fearless fake leader backed down while Trumps cultists drank the kool-aid. What a bunch of suckers. Iran is not a threat? What? Ha, give Trump the credit. No fake president in history has ever been more fos, and have this many followers; Trump makes major reversal on threat from Iran

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The only ones trying to provoke war are those such as yourself falsely claiming others are.

Fucking with the strait of Hormuz fucks with the world economy.

What have they done to us specifically?

So far, there have been a lot of unsubstantiated claims that seemed designed to provoke Iran and set the stage for a war.

Have you seen any evidence of specific hostile actions directed at us?

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

And your fearless fake leader backed down while Trumps cultists drank the kool-aid. What a bunch of suckers. Iran is not a threat? What? Ha, give Trump the credit. No fake president in history has ever been more fos, and have this many followers; Trump makes major reversal on threat from Iran

LOL...Trump came right out and said Try it again!!!
Iran scurried away like a little bitch,

 

[depotoo]

Bull. They wouldn’t let them past certain points! Where do you get your facts?

The only ones trying to provoke war are those such as yourself falsely claiming others are.

Fucking with the strait of Hormuz fucks with the world economy.

What have they done to us specifically?

So far, there have been a lot of unsubstantiated claims that seemed designed to provoke Iran and set the stage for a war.

Have you seen any evidence of specific hostile actions directed at us?

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

 

[Coyote]

Bull. They wouldn’t let them past certain points! Where do you get your facts?

The only ones trying to provoke war are those such as yourself falsely claiming others are.

What have they done to us specifically?

So far, there have been a lot of unsubstantiated claims that seemed designed to provoke Iran and set the stage for a war.

Have you seen any evidence of specific hostile actions directed at us?

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

How specifically did they break the deal?

 

[depotoo]

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

Rightttt, that’s why they kidnapped a ship after the deal was made. And kidnapped our Marines.
Iran Seizes Marshall Islands Ship Maersk Tigris; U.S. Destroyer On Station - USNI News
Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy ship with laser - CNNPolitics
Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military

The only ones trying to provoke war are those such as yourself falsely claiming others are.

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

How is that breaking the deal?

 

[Coyote]

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

Rightttt, that’s why they kidnapped a ship after the deal was made. And kidnapped our Marines.
Iran Seizes Marshall Islands Ship Maersk Tigris; U.S. Destroyer On Station - USNI News
Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy ship with laser - CNNPolitics
Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

How is that breaking the deal?

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

 

[depotoo]

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

Rightttt, that’s why they kidnapped a ship after the deal was made. And kidnapped our Marines.
Iran Seizes Marshall Islands Ship Maersk Tigris; U.S. Destroyer On Station - USNI News
Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy ship with laser - CNNPolitics
Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

How is that breaking the deal?

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

 

[Coyote]

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

Rightttt, that’s why they kidnapped a ship after the deal was made. And kidnapped our Marines.
Iran Seizes Marshall Islands Ship Maersk Tigris; U.S. Destroyer On Station - USNI News
Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy ship with laser - CNNPolitics
Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

How is that breaking the deal?

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

Where has a show of force gotten any country to end it’s nuclear ambitions?

 

[depotoo]

So, you prefer war then, since it doesn’t work, in your opinion.

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

Rightttt, that’s why they kidnapped a ship after the deal was made. And kidnapped our Marines.
Iran Seizes Marshall Islands Ship Maersk Tigris; U.S. Destroyer On Station - USNI News
Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy ship with laser - CNNPolitics
Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military

How is that breaking the deal?

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

Where has a show of force gotten any country to end it’s nuclear ambitions?

 

[Coyote]

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

Rightttt, that’s why they kidnapped a ship after the deal was made. And kidnapped our Marines.
Iran Seizes Marshall Islands Ship Maersk Tigris; U.S. Destroyer On Station - USNI News
Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy ship with laser - CNNPolitics
Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

How is that breaking the deal?

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

And I should add...critics of the deal complain it did not address all the other issues we have with Iran. Of course it didn’t. It wasn’t meant to. It was intended to address one thing only, Irans nuclear capabilities. In other words the critical issue. Other things can be handled down the road because there is no way Iran would agree to what is essentially a demand for regime change, so try to get the best you can of a very limited range of options.

And now we have nothing.

 

[Coyote]

So, you prefer war then, since it doesn’t work, in your opinion.

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

How is that breaking the deal?

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

Where has a show of force gotten any country to end it’s nuclear ambitions?

Just like you prefer war over the deal? Your false dichotomy is duly noted.

 

[depotoo]

No, I prefer a show of force. But if that doesn’t work, just as the deal didn’t, and they continue their provocations, then if we have to take certain aspects out, do it. This time we won’t have to step foot on land because we have someone willing to win, rather than be pc.

So, you prefer war then, since it doesn’t work, in your opinion.

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

You can’t be serious, Coyote. Really? They ram rod over us and everyone else, but that’s A OK in your book. On top of that the deal had many faults where info was NOT VERIFIABLE! We had to take their word for it!-

The Wall Street Journal discusses the clear problems with the deal’s compliance procedures:

Contrary to Mr. Obama, the IAEA’s enhanced monitoring isn’t permanent but limited to between 15 and 25 years depending on the process. Also contrary to his “where necessary, when necessary” claim, inspectors will only be allowed to ask permission of the Iranians to inspect suspected sites, and “such requests will not be aimed at interfering with Iranian military or other national security activities.”

If Iran objects, as it will, “the Agency may request access” (our emphasis), and Iran can propose “alternative arrangements” to address the concerns. If that fails, as it will, the dispute gets kicked upstairs, first to a “Joint Commission,” then to a Ministerial review, then to an “Advisory Board,” then to the U.N. Security Council—with each stop on the bureaucratic road taking weeks or months.

This is far worse than the U.S.-Soviet arms agreements, in which the U.S. could protest directly to Moscow. Iran now has an international bureaucratic guard to deflect and deter U.S. or IAEA concerns.

Put simply, if inspectors want to see a suspicious site, they have to ask permission and provide so much notice that there will certainly be nothing suspicious remaining when they finally arrive to inspect. It takes a large dose of ignorance to believe that inspections after weeks of notice are anything but worthless.

If all of this were not bad enough, the problem with the sanctions relief for Iran take this terror to an entirely new level.

Sanctions from the European Union, the United States of America, and the United Nations will be lifted. As The Hill reports, these include all restrictions on financial transactions with Iranian financial institutions, sale of crude oil and aircrafts, and importation of certain Iranian goods. This amounts to billions of dollars being handed over to the nation that is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

Most problematic is the last-minute insertion into the deal giving Iran relief of the arms embargo. In five years, international arms sanctions will be lifted.

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

Where has a show of force gotten any country to end it’s nuclear ambitions?

Just like you prefer war over the deal? Your false dichotomy is duly noted.

 

[Coyote]

No, I prefer a show of force. But if that doesn’t work, just as the deal didn’t, and they continue their provocations, then if we have to take certain aspects out, do it. This time we won’t have to step foot on land because we have someone willing to win, rather than be pc.

So, you prefer war then, since it doesn’t work, in your opinion.

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

The deal wasn’t perfect but it was the best we could get, offered significant verification and postponed nuclear breakout for at least 15 years buying time to continue to improve it or for changes to occur within the government. It was narrowly targeted because that was all we were going to get.

As per giving notice for inspections....this isn’t stuff you can pack in a suitcase and hide away with out anyone noticing.

So I am going to ask again. How did Iran break their part of the deal? Specifically?

What better deal has Trump negotiated? Besides a potential nuclear arms race between Saudi and Iran?

Where has a show of force gotten any country to end it’s nuclear ambitions?

Just like you prefer war over the deal? Your false dichotomy is duly noted.

Back up a moment.

How did the deal not work?

Did Iran break it? Resume nuclear activity?

 

[Coyote]

And let’s look at your taking out certain aspects. How did Iraq work for ya? Are you happy with the regional destabilization and subsequent bloodbath? The many new havens for terrorist groupware to exploit? That went really well didn’t it?

 

[Rustic]

Still we obsess over nonsense that happens on the other side of the world in desert wastelands

And still you're not smart enough to understand Geopolitical issues.
I'm asking this seriously...do you realize the impact of closing the Strait of Hormuz would have on the world?

Their would be no question about the strait had the fat idiot not betrayed signers to the Iran deal. On top of that he funnels discounted weapons to the Saudi's to murder Yemeni's, going so far as to cover up their leaders' murders. How's that for a geopolitical issue, you despicable piece of shit? Hmm?

Lol
Boy, I Was a fucked up deal to begin with. so shut the fuck up You retard

 

[Rustic]

Lol
Only a fucking moron would ever believe Iran would live up to any deal…

 

[depotoo]

Actually, yes they did-

Citing German security officials, the Berlin newspaper Der Tagesspiegel reported that Iran has not given up its “efforts this year to obtain material from German firms for its nuclear program and the construction of missiles.”

“Iran has clearly not given up its long-term goal to become an nuclear power that can mount nuclear weapons on rockets,” the officials told the paper, according to The Jerusalem Post.

The German paper reported that in 2016, the year the JCPOA was implemented, Iran made 32 acquisition attempts for materials and parts that it uses to advance its ballistic missiles program.

“The majority of Iran’s procurement activities in the (German) state (of North Rhine-Westphalia) were for its ballistic missile program,” according to The Post.

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The same report said the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, which in majority opposes the nuclear agreement with the six world powers, “want(s) to continue the nuclear program at all costs.”

The Tagesspiegel report more or less confirmed an earlier article by Weinthal.

On July 7, writing for The Weekly Standard, Weinthal revealed Iran was working to “illegally obtain technology and know-how to advance its nuclear weapons and missile programs, despite the 2015 agreement to curb its nuclear program.”

His article was based on German intelligence, with one report by the state of Hamburg claiming, “there is no evidence of a complete about-face in Iran’s atomic polices in 2016.”

The Hamburg intelligence report said that even after the JCPOA was implemented, Iran still “sought missile carrier technology necessary for its rocket program.”

The same report mentioned the illicit delivery of “51 special valves to an Iranian company that can be used for the Islamic Republic’s sanctioned Arak heavy water reactor,” an installation that can be used to produce plutonium for nuclear weapons.

Another German intelligence report by the state of Baden-Wurttemberg’s intelligence agency said Iran was actively seeking “products and scientific know-how for the field of developing weapons of mass destruction as well (as) missile technology.”

And

Work on nuclear propulsion system started, Iran says

No, I prefer a show of force. But if that doesn’t work, just as the deal didn’t, and they continue their provocations, then if we have to take certain aspects out, do it. This time we won’t have to step foot on land because we have someone willing to win, rather than be pc.

So, you prefer war then, since it doesn’t work, in your opinion.

Significant...
If you don’t want the enemy to blindside you, significant isn’t enough.
He knows there is no deal he would make them they would comply with. They only respond to a show of force. (And I mean a threat, not war) Has been that way since 1979.
The deal made did not keep them from kidnapping our Marines, did it? It did not stop them from kidnapping merchant ships, either. They continued to play their games, and continued to interfere in Iraq and Syria, and Yemen and Bahrain, and sponsoring terorism... It goes on and on.

Where has a show of force gotten any country to end it’s nuclear ambitions?

Just like you prefer war over the deal? Your false dichotomy is duly noted.

Back up a moment.

How did the deal not work?

Did Iran break it? Resume nuclear activity?

 

[mudwhistle]

The only ones trying to provoke war are those such as yourself falsely claiming others are.

Fucking with the strait of Hormuz fucks with the world economy.

What have they done to us specifically?

So far, there have been a lot of unsubstantiated claims that seemed designed to provoke Iran and set the stage for a war.

Have you seen any evidence of specific hostile actions directed at us?

Whst is false about it? When you start sending warships and spouting demands about regime change..ya your kinda being provacative dude. Why do you eant yet another war so badky?

Once again, no one but you is making that claim.
Secondly, Iran has meddling for a long time, even after the deal with them was made. And they have continued to get more bold. Finally, someone is telling them enough is enough, and they are now backing down.

uh huh. Iran had stuck to the terms of tbe deal, that has been verified. So they havent threatened us but our leader is itching to provoke a war. Maybe we should quit meddling in regime change.

Yeah.....Iran only armed Hamas just last week.
All of those missiles they rained down on Israel last week were bought just the other day by Iran with their own money.....not the billions Obama gave them.
Totally innocent.
BTW, just because Trump dropped the deal doesn't mean they can start raining missiles down on Israel again.

 

[theHawk]

So did Iraq, so did Syria. so did Libya. It doesn't matter what THEY want. It what our government and their Hebrew handlers want. Israel wants a neighborhood safe from potential intruders...send the Goy to die.

And yet still no new wars under President Trump.

You think that would be the case under a Dem President?