CDZ Internet consorship

[Indofred]

Israeli Foreign Ministry Seeks to Shut Down Antisemitic Websites Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com

The Foreign Ministry’s Global Forum for Combating Antisemitism, which held a three-day conference in Jerusalem last week, determined a series of practical steps to change what it called “a discourse of hate speech.” The ministry will take action to have websites that promote Holocaust denial shut down, and to keep hate sites out of Google searches, particularly when searches for the word “Jew” direct users to antisemitic sites.

The Israeli ministry will also establish special units in each country where it has a presence to compel Internet companies to enforce their own rules against storing hate material, and to enforce existing legislation on the issue.

Much as I dislike hate speech, why should any given group be allowed, or think they have the right, to stop websites?

This is worse when you consider Israeli support for Charlie, and anti Islamic messages we so commonly see from pro Israeli groups.
If this nasty censorship worms its way into the internet, we must remove any and all that other groups may find offensive, and let those groups decide what content is removed.

North Korea will love it.

Opinion?

 

[Bleipriester]

Israeli Foreign Ministry Seeks to Shut Down Antisemitic Websites Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com

The Foreign Ministry’s Global Forum for Combating Antisemitism, which held a three-day conference in Jerusalem last week, determined a series of practical steps to change what it called “a discourse of hate speech.” The ministry will take action to have websites that promote Holocaust denial shut down, and to keep hate sites out of Google searches, particularly when searches for the word “Jew” direct users to antisemitic sites.

The Israeli ministry will also establish special units in each country where it has a presence to compel Internet companies to enforce their own rules against storing hate material, and to enforce existing legislation on the issue.

Much as I dislike hate speech, why should any given group be allowed, or think they have the right, to stop websites?

This is worse when you consider Israeli support for Charlie, and anti Islamic messages we so commonly see from pro Israeli groups.
If this nasty censorship worms its way into the internet, we must remove any and all that other groups may find offensive, and let those groups decide what content is removed.

North Korea will love it.

Opinion?

Your post is hate speech and has to be removed

 

[there4eyeM]

It is clear that various interests have posters constantly promoting or attacking in these threads. I can only assume this is present throughout the Web. These guard dogs must be reporting other individuals who then enter onto lists. Everyone is probably marked for something, either for or against or not enough.

 

[Josf]

This subject matter cuts right down to the base principles of moral right and moral wrong.

The battle over moral right and wrong is now a battle over control of information through every single medium of exchange including the combined mediums that make up the so called world wide web or internet: phone, cable, cell phone, fiber optics, television networks, satellite, radio, microwave, etc.

The example offered by the OP can be one example point of contention.

Another example is expressed in the term Assassination Politics, which is now changed from that term into the term Assassination Markets.

Assassination Politics link:
Assassination Politics PDF - Jim Bell download torrent - TPB

Assassination Markets link:
Assassination market Bernanke tops kill-list in crowd-sourced bitcoin fundraiser for wannabe hitmen RT News

To help understand this paradoxical dilemma there are a few angles from which to look at it.

One angle is called the Dictator's Dilemma and the other is called the Prisoner's Dilemma also known as Game Theory.

Dictator's Dilemma:
2. The Case of the Soviet Union The Dictator s Dilemma RAND

Prisoner's Dilemma:
The Prisoner s Dilemma

One more competitive viewpoint can be offered in a short description of words. Suppose your loved one was kidnapped and you found a snuff film on the internet proving to you that the perpetrator of your loved one's kidnapping, torture, and murder, whose identity is clearly shown in the snuff film, and your loved one is clearly shown in the snuff film, which is downloadable, at this moment, from a web site, and as it turns out the perpetrator is a prominent individual currently occupying a high public office.

What can you do to gain access to rule of law at that point in time if you imagine that you are the one in that position described above?

Can the location of the web site be shut down before it can be traced? Will anyone in so called government help you, or censor you? Is the web site hosting the snuff film encrypted and maintained autonomously?

Is the web site mirrored and hosted from many physical locations around the world?

If the web site is censored in one geographical area controlled by one so called "elite" group, will the web site be accessible in other geographical areas controlled by other "elite" groups?

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

 

[Bleipriester]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

What about the chosen? Won´t you be called an antisemite if you want to apply the same rules on the rabble and the noble?

 

[there4eyeM]

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

 

[Indofred]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

I am absolutely willing to make my posts and comments EQUVALENT (nor more and no less) in filth to that which is spoken in mosques and
by muslims ----of course. I can even use the same Arabic words. In fact, I am even willing to use the same terms
that you use

 

[Bleipriester]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

What about the chosen? Won´t you be called an antisemite if you want to apply the same rules on the rabble and the noble?

you are citing an islamo Nazi concept----I am, absolutely, willing to use the same terms and words used by muslims and nazis

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

wrong Zionism is as central to Judaism as the concept that
muhummad was a "prophet" is central to islam and the concept that Jesus was a messiah is central to Christianity. Are you insisting that the person "muhummad" must be respected should be discarded and that the idea that all but muslims must be excluded from Medina must also be discarded? You are making a fool of yourself

 

[Bleipriester]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

What about the chosen? Won´t you be called an antisemite if you want to apply the same rules on the rabble and the noble?

you are citing an islamo Nazi concept----I am, absolutely, willing to use the same terms and words used by muslims and nazis

Dunno what you are babbling about...

 

[Bleipriester]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

wrong Zionism is as central to Judaism as the concept that
muhummad was a "prophet" is central to islam and the concept that Jesus was a messiah is central to Christianity. Are you insisting that the person "muhummad" must be respected should be discarded and that the idea that all but muslims must be excluded from Medina must also be discarded? You are making a fool of yourself

Dunno what you are babbling about...

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

wrong Zionism is as central to Judaism as the concept that
muhummad was a "prophet" is central to islam and the concept that Jesus was a messiah is central to Christianity. Are you insisting that the person "muhummad" must be respected should be discarded and that the idea that all but muslims must be excluded from Medina must also be discarded? You are making a fool of yourself

Dunno what you are babbling about...

Ok ----you don't know. I am not surprised that you do not know

 

[there4eyeM]

'Zionism' is a late nineteenth century European socialist movement that took discrimination against Jews as a justification.
Any religious motivation for Jewish people to desire to live in the area associated with a historical past can be separated from that movement. But the whole of earth is promised to the Jews, and all humans, in the Bible. Jewish people are much safer and more welcome in North America than anywhere else. America is a very good homeland for anyone.

 

[Bleipriester]

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

wrong Zionism is as central to Judaism as the concept that
muhummad was a "prophet" is central to islam and the concept that Jesus was a messiah is central to Christianity. Are you insisting that the person "muhummad" must be respected should be discarded and that the idea that all but muslims must be excluded from Medina must also be discarded? You are making a fool of yourself

Dunno what you are babbling about...

Ok ----you don't know. I am not surprised that you do not know

I really don´t know what Islamic prophets have to do with this topic.

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to cut "hate sites" should be made using a STANDARD SET OF CRITERIA that applies to all
groups------see? it's simple-------apply the SAME rules to all groups.

So, do you support this Israeli move and, if so, will you self censor your own hate posts?

Being categorically prejudiced against any group is just plain ignorant/stupid. That is why being 'anti-Jewish' is repugnant. Being against a movement, political idea or religion is not the same. That is why being against what has manifested itself as 'Zionism' is not at all equivalent with being anti-Jewish, for example. One can be opposed to the Black Panthers and love the black community.

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

'Zionism' is a late nineteenth century European socialist movement that took discrimination against Jews as a justification.
Any religious motivation for Jewish people to desire to live in the area associated with a historical past can be separated from that movement. But the whole of earth is promised to the Jews, and all humans, in the Bible. Jewish people are much safer and more welcome in North America than anywhere else. America is a very good homeland for anyone.

You know nothing about Judaism-----but nice try. I do not know what your background is------and you need not reveal it------but if you are an American Christian-----you, most likely, never read the bible and even if you did-------did not understand it. Zionism is Judaism ------it was not "invented" in the 19th century as-----you, very likely, have been taught thru islamo Nazi propaganda.
If you are an American Christian-----I know you well------I grew up in a very Christian town----and even attended "sunday school"---so I know what you would likely "believe" Judaism is

 

[irosie91]

wrong ---Zionism is Judaism-----try reading the bible. Persons who spit on ZION---spit on Judaism in the same way that persons who smear a Koran with pig shit----spit on islam

Zionism is not Judaism. You just want brand any criticism towards Zionism antisemitism. Your previous alleged neutral statement has been debunked by yourself.

wrong Zionism is as central to Judaism as the concept that
muhummad was a "prophet" is central to islam and the concept that Jesus was a messiah is central to Christianity. Are you insisting that the person "muhummad" must be respected should be discarded and that the idea that all but muslims must be excluded from Medina must also be discarded? You are making a fool of yourself

Dunno what you are babbling about...

Ok ----you don't know. I am not surprised that you do not know

I really don´t know what Islamic prophets have to do with this topic.

The topic seems to me to be the censoring of "anti" --this or that religion propaganda. I agree to any censoring which is EQUITABLE ----that is-----any censoring of anti muslim or anti hindu, or anti jewish etc etc propaganda on the net should be done using EQUITABLE CRITERIA