Indiana Governor, Mike Pence, Asks for Changes in Religious Freedom Law

[Nosmo King]

I continue to wonder what harm comes to a merchant when asked to provide the exact same services to a same sex wedding they provide to a heterosexual wedding. What material harm befalls a merchant when faced with a homosexual customer?

Do vendors partake in a sacred rite or ritual when they cater a wedding? Do they officiate? Are they required by any faith to provide a mercantile imperator so that the wedding can be sanctified? Are these merchants, so concerned with their own morality that their concern bleeds over to their customers vet each couple and declare them 'kosher'?

Let's face facts. Some merchants are homophobic bigots predisposed to discriminate against groups or individuals they judge to be sinners. Such merchants want to hide behind a thin veneer of morality they call Christian Values in order to continue to discriminate. All bigots seek some cover from which to ply their bigotry. Racial inferiority was the cover for Jim Crow. Tales of devience and pervesion is what the current crowd relies on. Of course, both are based on falsehoods, lies and ignorance, but those are traits bigots traffic in anyway.

But merchants are claiming some harm, some moral imposition. What is the harm? Homosexuals pay with American currency. Homosexuals simply want the exact services provided to any other customer, no more no less. Homosexuals do not demand any 'participation' in their ceremony by wedding vendors.

Once again asome group armed with anedotal evidence, ignorance and fear seeks to make another group feel less than by asserting themselves where no such insertion ever previously existed. Conformityy to the narrowest moral template is required for only a few potential customers while all other sins and transgretions are ignored by the bigot class. A heterosexual 'get out of jail free' card is issued, so long as a man and woman are involved.

And now the bigots seek legal protection from the state. Protection from what? Protection to continue discrimination? When are laws passed assuring discrimination? Why in contemporary America under the auspicese of "Christian love".

 

[oldunclemark]

This bill was designed to discriminate....the author of the bill said so himself.

Pence should just say he does not like gays and not lie

Why? There is no indication he doesn't like homos. Only that he likes religious freedom.

The governor was asked would be sign a bill that protects homesexuals from discrimination. He said that HE HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING THAT.
He was pretty clear.

 

[oldunclemark]

The Indiana law is different...
It allows an individual to discriminate with his business..

The law Clinton signed protects a religon from national prohibition of its practices.
The Indiana law allows a business to discriminate against someone based on what they are
Your rights end when my rights begin.
If you have a real licensed business..you have to serve gays and blacks and Muslims

we decided this back in the 50s...
Tea Party Pence..a former right wing talk show host..is trying to turn back the clock

The Indiana law allows discrimination based on what people do, not what they are.

If the business man feels you are gay (which is what you ARRE, not what you do) the law prohibits the government from forcing you to serve him just like anyone else,..

The author of the law intended it to be that way

 

[oldunclemark]

So if it waswn't about discrimination why is he asking to change his law?



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/u...a-religious-freedom-restoration-act.html?_r=0

exactly..the intent of the law was to discriminate against gays..to not serve them and call it Christianity.
That's why the issue came up.

That's akin to not serving blacks at soup kitchens in the 1940s and 50s because your Christian beliefs suggest that blacks are not to eat with whites.
That's our history and its certainly the history of Indiana,,which was the national headquarters of the Klan in the last century

 

[mudwhistle]

The Indiana law is different...
It allows an individual to discriminate with his business..

The law Clinton signed protects a religon from national prohibition of its practices.
The Indiana law allows a business to discriminate against someone based on what they are
Your rights end when my rights begin.
If you have a real licensed business..you have to serve gays and blacks and Muslims

we decided this back in the 50s...
Tea Party Pence..a former right wing talk show host..is trying to turn back the clock

You lost me when you threw the Tea Party in there.

That means you're lying.

 

[mudwhistle]

So if it waswn't about discrimination why is he asking to change his law?



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/u...a-religious-freedom-restoration-act.html?_r=0

exactly..the intent of the law was to discriminate against gays..to not serve them and call it Christianity.
That's why the issue came up.

That's akin to not serving blacks at soup kitchens in the 1940s and 50s because your Christian beliefs suggest that blacks are not to eat with whites.
That's our history and its certainly the history of Indiana,,which was the national headquarters of the Klan in the last century

The difference between Jim Crow laws and this one are obvious.

Jim Crow was mandated by government. This law is a protection from lawsuit from private entities and from governments. Mentioning Jim Crow with this is.......dishonest and deceptive. The whole basis for this law is over Peyote, whether it's legal for Native-Americans to use illegal substances in their religious ceremonies.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This bill was designed to discriminate....the author of the bill said so himself.

Pence should just say he does not like gays and not lie

Why? There is no indication he doesn't like homos. Only that he likes religious freedom.

The governor was asked would be sign a bill that protects homesexuals from discrimination. He said that HE HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING THAT.
He was pretty clear.

Why should he? That would be special privilege. Should there be a bill that 'protects' people from being discriminated against for open displays of pornography? It's all about versions of sex. Since when is coerced acceptance of specific sex acts protected rights?

 

[DarkFury]

I just hope the people remember why they kicked Democrats into the Minority in congress

And this kind of crap was part of it by these dems/libs/progessives

it's constant hate, lies and bullying smears

Oh trailer park queen of very Low IQ, the elections were regional not national

The regional elections HAD national results.
The racist threads and comments by democrats here is a bit much. But go with what you know right Guno?

 

[Disir]

The Indiana law is different...
It allows an individual to discriminate with his business..

The law Clinton signed protects a religon from national prohibition of its practices.
The Indiana law allows a business to discriminate against someone based on what they are
Your rights end when my rights begin.
If you have a real licensed business..you have to serve gays and blacks and Muslims

we decided this back in the 50s...
Tea Party Pence..a former right wing talk show host..is trying to turn back the clock

You lost me when you threw the Tea Party in there.

That means you're lying.

Mike Pence on Principles Values

 

[mudwhistle]

The Indiana law is different...
It allows an individual to discriminate with his business..

The law Clinton signed protects a religon from national prohibition of its practices.
The Indiana law allows a business to discriminate against someone based on what they are
Your rights end when my rights begin.
If you have a real licensed business..you have to serve gays and blacks and Muslims

we decided this back in the 50s...
Tea Party Pence..a former right wing talk show host..is trying to turn back the clock

Have you read both laws?

No you haven't.

You're simply being fed bogus talking-points from liberals in another attempt to fool the masses, like they have done time and time again. This all just a deception intended to trick you fools once again.......and once again you're being played by the Democrats and their fawning press.

What tools you are, the lot of you.

All this is, is another scam being played on you pathetic dumb-asses.

 

[mudwhistle]

the Indiana law has some differences from the federal law, and most of the state laws, that critics say are significant, including a provision explicitly stating that it applies to the exercise of religious beliefs by businesses as well as individuals and religious groups. The idea that a for-profit business has religious rights, and can cite them in contesting government action, was not widely considered until recently. But last year the Supreme Court upheld that principle in the case Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores.

Another difference between Indiana’s law and most similar ones is that it says businesses can use religious freedom as a defense against lawsuits brought by individuals, not just those filed by the government.

The difference is that Hobby Lobby dealt with benefits for employees..

The Pence bill deals with anyone the Christian business owner believes is gay.
the author of the bill has said that was his motivation.

The government cannot be denied the power to enforce civil rights in a case involving a public for profit business licensed by that same government

Actually, The law is open to interpretation. Obama decides not to enforce a law or decides to make up laws as he goes along, then he does it.

The government serves the people, not the other way around.

 

[mudwhistle]

This bill was designed to discriminate....the author of the bill said so himself.

Pence should just say he does not like gays and not lie

Liar.....

Who the fuck are you?

149 messages since 2008.

You must be either a sock or another one of those government plants sent to pass off bogus bullshit as fact.

 

[tigerred59]

So if it waswn't about discrimination why is he asking to change his law?



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/u...a-religious-freedom-restoration-act.html?_r=0

Typical move by conservatives, when will they learn.....the religious right has been the undoing of many conservatives in this country. Pence is learning the hard way, God don't like ugly. And big business don't like ugly. The state of Indiana has a huge meth problem, HIV is now rapidly growing there and you got a man picking on gays. Clearly his priorities are wrong.

 

[tigerred59]

I just hope the people remember why they kicked Democrats into the Minority in congress.

and VOTE them the rest of the way out of OUR LIVES come 2016

And this kind of crap was part of it by these dems/libs/progessives

it's constant hate, lies and bullying smears

LOLOLOL..the reason the GOP-igs got both houses was because the cowards on the left, ie democrats had fucked up candidates running for office. Don't get it twisted.

 

[Disir]

Oh dear Lawd, do you clowns even know who this guy is?
Indiana Republicans Were Warned About Their Anti-Gay Bill - The Daily Beast

 

[tigerred59]

The Indiana law is different...
It allows an individual to discriminate with his business..

The law Clinton signed protects a religon from national prohibition of its practices.
The Indiana law allows a business to discriminate against someone based on what they are
Your rights end when my rights begin.
If you have a real licensed business..you have to serve gays and blacks and Muslims

we decided this back in the 50s...
Tea Party Pence..a former right wing talk show host..is trying to turn back the clock

Trying is a understatement, what he failed to realize is that money talks in this country, not God or religion, its money and that's why today, ol boy is beside himself trying to undo what he did. God does not, will not ever decide who is worthy of his love based on one's personal choice in life, God loves all sinners.

 

[tigerred59]

If the Republican Party expect to take the white house next year, they'd best get one thing clear, this country will not ever return to the dark ages of exclusion, abiet race, gender or sexual preferences....this is the 21st century and despite their attempts to turn back the clock, nationally, its never ever ever gonna happen...unless Hillary runs!!

 

[mudwhistle]

Oh dear Lawd, do you clowns even know who this guy is?
Indiana Republicans Were Warned About Their Anti-Gay Bill - The Daily Beast

Yup....he must be the Devil....

Now do you even know what you're squawking about?

The debate injected a divisive new issue into the 2016 presidential campaign, presenting Republican hopefuls with a difficult choice: publicly back Pence on an issue that threatens to hurt the GOP among the majority of Americans who support gay rights, or side with the party’s business wing against the law and risk angering base conservatives.


In recent days, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), former Texas governor Rick Perry and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal have all spoken approvingly of the law; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has been more circumspect. Likely Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized it.

Indianapolis mayor slams ‘religious freedom’ law(1:23)

Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard (R) issued a stern plea to the Indiana General Assembly on Monday, asking the state to repeal a “religious freedom” law that could open the door to allow discrimination based on sexual orientation. (AP)

The debate also shines a spotlight on other Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, which are in force at the federal level and in 19 states other than Indiana. The federal law was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, and state versions have had broad support from both parties.


The current batch of religious liberties bills has been more controversial, in part because of the timing. Same-sex marriage is rapidly becoming the norm, with such unions legal in 37 states and the District. Last year, Arizona passed a similar law after a New Mexico photography company was sanctioned for refusing to take pictures for a lesbian commitment ceremony. But that bill sparked nationwide protests, drew criticism from the National Football League and was ultimately vetoed.


But the new laws are also fundamentally different. The federal law protects only individuals seeking relief from government intrusions on their religious beliefs. The Indiana law and others like it also apply to disputes between private parties.


University of Virginia law professor Douglas Laycock, one of the nation’s leading law-and-religion scholars, said “religious freedom” has become a catchphrase since last year’s Supreme Court ruling in the Hobby Lobby case. The court found that business owners who object to certain contraceptives on religious grounds may decline to provide them through their employee health plans.


“There’s bad behavior on both sides,” Laycock said. “Gay rights groups, as they become stronger and stronger and get more support for same-sex marriage, keep demanding more and more. Now they don’t want any religious exceptions for anybody.”


Meanwhile, he said, “Republican legislators are pandering to the base and saying we need to protect against gay marriage. These statements from the right fuel the outrage on the left.”


Ind. to clarify new law decried as anti-gay - The Washington Post​

 

[Disir]

Oh dear Lawd, do you clowns even know who this guy is?
Indiana Republicans Were Warned About Their Anti-Gay Bill - The Daily Beast

Yup....he must be the Devil....

Now do you even know what you're squawking about?

The debate injected a divisive new issue into the 2016 presidential campaign, presenting Republican hopefuls with a difficult choice: publicly back Pence on an issue that threatens to hurt the GOP among the majority of Americans who support gay rights, or side with the party’s business wing against the law and risk angering base conservatives.


In recent days, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), former Texas governor Rick Perry and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal have all spoken approvingly of the law; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has been more circumspect. Likely Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized it.

Indianapolis mayor slams ‘religious freedom’ law(1:23)

Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard (R) issued a stern plea to the Indiana General Assembly on Monday, asking the state to repeal a “religious freedom” law that could open the door to allow discrimination based on sexual orientation. (AP)

The debate also shines a spotlight on other Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, which are in force at the federal level and in 19 states other than Indiana. The federal law was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, and state versions have had broad support from both parties.


The current batch of religious liberties bills has been more controversial, in part because of the timing. Same-sex marriage is rapidly becoming the norm, with such unions legal in 37 states and the District. Last year, Arizona passed a similar law after a New Mexico photography company was sanctioned for refusing to take pictures for a lesbian commitment ceremony. But that bill sparked nationwide protests, drew criticism from the National Football League and was ultimately vetoed.


But the new laws are also fundamentally different. The federal law protects only individuals seeking relief from government intrusions on their religious beliefs. The Indiana law and others like it also apply to disputes between private parties.


University of Virginia law professor Douglas Laycock, one of the nation’s leading law-and-religion scholars, said “religious freedom” has become a catchphrase since last year’s Supreme Court ruling in the Hobby Lobby case. The court found that business owners who object to certain contraceptives on religious grounds may decline to provide them through their employee health plans.


“There’s bad behavior on both sides,” Laycock said. “Gay rights groups, as they become stronger and stronger and get more support for same-sex marriage, keep demanding more and more. Now they don’t want any religious exceptions for anybody.”


Meanwhile, he said, “Republican legislators are pandering to the base and saying we need to protect against gay marriage. These statements from the right fuel the outrage on the left.”​

I do. I even knew he was Tea Party. I posted the legislation yesterday.

 

[mudwhistle]

Oh dear Lawd, do you clowns even know who this guy is?
Indiana Republicans Were Warned About Their Anti-Gay Bill - The Daily Beast

Yup....he must be the Devil....

Now do you even know what you're squawking about?

The debate injected a divisive new issue into the 2016 presidential campaign, presenting Republican hopefuls with a difficult choice: publicly back Pence on an issue that threatens to hurt the GOP among the majority of Americans who support gay rights, or side with the party’s business wing against the law and risk angering base conservatives.


In recent days, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), former Texas governor Rick Perry and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal have all spoken approvingly of the law; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has been more circumspect. Likely Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized it.

Indianapolis mayor slams ‘religious freedom’ law(1:23)

Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard (R) issued a stern plea to the Indiana General Assembly on Monday, asking the state to repeal a “religious freedom” law that could open the door to allow discrimination based on sexual orientation. (AP)

The debate also shines a spotlight on other Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, which are in force at the federal level and in 19 states other than Indiana. The federal law was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, and state versions have had broad support from both parties.


The current batch of religious liberties bills has been more controversial, in part because of the timing. Same-sex marriage is rapidly becoming the norm, with such unions legal in 37 states and the District. Last year, Arizona passed a similar law after a New Mexico photography company was sanctioned for refusing to take pictures for a lesbian commitment ceremony. But that bill sparked nationwide protests, drew criticism from the National Football League and was ultimately vetoed.


But the new laws are also fundamentally different. The federal law protects only individuals seeking relief from government intrusions on their religious beliefs. The Indiana law and others like it also apply to disputes between private parties.


University of Virginia law professor Douglas Laycock, one of the nation’s leading law-and-religion scholars, said “religious freedom” has become a catchphrase since last year’s Supreme Court ruling in the Hobby Lobby case. The court found that business owners who object to certain contraceptives on religious grounds may decline to provide them through their employee health plans.


“There’s bad behavior on both sides,” Laycock said. “Gay rights groups, as they become stronger and stronger and get more support for same-sex marriage, keep demanding more and more. Now they don’t want any religious exceptions for anybody.”


Meanwhile, he said, “Republican legislators are pandering to the base and saying we need to protect against gay marriage. These statements from the right fuel the outrage on the left.”​

I do. I even knew he was Tea Party. I posted the legislation yesterday.

Being a member of the Tea Party is no crime. The only reason you feel that it is a crime is because of that lying asshole in the White House.

I don't give a shit if you posted the entire text of the law. You don't understand it and are only attempting to trick everyone into thinking you do.