Independents Think McCain's a Doer, While Obama's a Talker

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    If this latest Fox News poll http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/091008poll1.pdf is accurate, then Obama is just cratering in respondents' assessment of his personal qualities:


    Do you think Barack Obama is a talker or a doer?

    Overall: Talker 49 percent, Doer 34 percent. Among independents, 55 percent talker, 26 percent doer.

    Do you think John McCain is talker or a doer?

    Overall: Talker, 30 percent, doer, 54 percent. Among independents, 21 percent talker, 58 percent doer.

    If you had to make the toughest decision of your life, who would you rather get advice from?

    Obama, 34 percent; McCain, 50 percent. Among independents it's Obama 22 percent, McCain 52 percent. Interestingly, Biden matches up fairly well against Palin, 39 percent to her 43 percent.

    Which ticket has more experience combined? Republicans 52, Democrats 34. Among Independents, it's Republicans 57, Democrats 25.

    Which ticket has better judgment combined? Republicans 47, Democrats 43. Among independents, it's Republicans 51, Democrats 32.

    Which ticket will bring the right change to Washington? The Democrats still lead, 46 to 39. But among independents, it's Democrats 36, Republicans 38

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    Bush is a doer too.
     
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    And independents need to pay a little closer attention. They will though, during the debates.
     
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    fox news? NATIONAL REVIEW?


    come on.
     
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    One of the main issues with polls is that we never get a truly accurate representation of the facts.

    Give me an hour and I'm sure I could find another poll which states Obama is a "doer" among independents.

    My point is that we should never put too much emphasis on polls and the statistical methods used to derive the results.

    Take the poll in question for example. 900 respondents were surveyed and with this number we extrapolate the results to be a truth nationwide. Now I realize that statiticians will tell you 900 people is a perfectly fine number to represent nearly 300 million people, but it's simply not true. There are too many variable which can alter the results.

    There is another statistical complilation of state polls which claims they have been within one or two electoral votes on past presidential election predictions and they currently have Obama pulling off the win with a landslide of electoral votes. It's the Princeton Educational Consortium who compiles this data.

    Do I believe it? Nope. They may be right but who knows at this point?

    Just remember, 72% of all statistics can be proven false. :D
     
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    perhaps they should let the dailykos or MSNBC or CNN or Huffingtonpost do this poll... I wonder how that would've turned out :doubt:
     
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    So what exactly has Obama actually done?
     
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    He's a liberal and the Hollywood loons love him.. what else does he need to have on his resume?
     
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    If you will read this with an open mind I think you might be surprised.

    -Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

    -After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

    -His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

    -Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

    -Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

    -As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

    -He traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

    -Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

    - In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

    -Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

    -Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

    -Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

    -Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

    -Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.


    I can find just as many points to illustrate positive legislation which McCain has worked on. They are both accomplished Senators.

    I simply don't like discussing a non-issue. Any other questions?

    btw - this was pulled off of WRAL.com - Raleigh News, Weather, Triangle Traffic and NC Lottery
     

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