Independent Voters

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    Holy crap, I almost fell over backwards when I saw this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/opinion/keller-the-sweet-spot.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=opinion

    Bill Keller is a lefty New York Times columnist (I know, redundant) who usually tosses out boiler-plate lefty talking points, but he surprised me with this one. He talks about how Obama and Romney have to deal with the center of the electorate, and I have to admit he described my beliefs better than most:


    ¶Swing voters tend to be fiscal conservatives, meaning they are profoundly worried about deficits and debt.

    ¶They are mostly economic moderates, meaning they are free-marketers but expect government to help provide the physical and intellectual infrastructure that creates opportunity.

    ¶They are aspirational — that is, they have nothing against the rich — but they don’t oppose tax increases.

    ¶They want the country well protected, but not throwing its weight around in the world.

    ¶They tend to be fairly progressive on social issues; they think, for example, that abortion should be discouraged but not prohibited.



    I'm not accustomed to seeing partisans who can reasonably articulate the views of people outside of their ideological sphere, but that's pretty good.

    So which candidate nails those issues? Here's a hint: Neither of them.

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    Real easy for you milquetoast types to say, isn't it?

    Saying you are against 'throwing our weight around in the world' is a lot like saying you are for 'world peace.'

    Empty rhetoric.
     
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    Fortunately, some of us don't live in a simplistic, binary, black & white world. Reality is a bit more complicated than that, and it does require a little intellectual elasticity.

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    You mean you are revisionist historian that change your opinion after the fact.

    I'll give you an example. 'Independents' strongly supported the Afgan /Iraq invasion. Today, you weak sticks whine about how America 'throws it's weight around in the world.'

    It is awfully easy to sit on the fence and let others make the hard choices.
     
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    I've been anti-war since Day One. And no one on this board is more so.

    But thanks for providing yet another example of simplistic, binary, black & white partisan thinking. You want to keep everything simple, i.e., all independents were pro-war - but you can't do that with people who think for themselves. Independents are not monolithic. Don't you know that? Haven't you figured that one out yet, or hasn't Rush mentioned it?

    That's why independents are so disliked by the partisan sheep. We're not simple. Worse yet, there's more of us than there are of you.

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    My point stands, and the statistics bear it out.

    Do you want to go thru many, many more examples of where 'Independents' were for things before they were against them?

    Easy to sit back after the fact in wistful melancholy and point fingers at the very decisions you once supported as being 'partisan.'

    Fucking sheep.
     
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    Perhaps you didn't actually read my last post.

    Okie doke. Think what you will. I know that keeps things nice and simple.

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    There is a very good reason you are running for this debate.

    Empty, after-the-fact rhetoric is easy for you 'Independents.'
     
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    Just on the first bullet point alone, I think Obama will have a difficult task competing for Independent voters. As an Independent myself, I find this is my utmost worry and will rule my voting ballot this year, just as it did most Independents in 2010.
     
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    Not news or anywhere close to "shocking to me." Describes me fairly well. Except I believe a fetus is a human being who deserves protection under our legal system.
     

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