In Support of Obama's Health Care Law

[serenesam]

I am definitely a supporter of Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) - h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act

However, health care does not need to be reshaped and it amazes me to see how complicated the bill is. All they could have done was this: Effective immediately: Expand Medicaid eligibility; all individuals with income up to 133% of the poverty line qualify for coverage, including adults without dependent children. Just one statement.

And yes, this is in alignment with Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights:

The Second Bill of Rights was a list of rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then President of the United States, during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944. In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

Employment, with a living wage,
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
Housing,
Medical care,
Education, and,
Social security

h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

 

[Zander]

Get a job, ya stinkin' hippie!

 

[serenesam]

Get a job, ya stinkin' hippie!

Try directing that statement to these 5,000 phds that are janitors:

h t t p://gizmodo.com/5671062/there-are-5000-janitors-in-the-us-with-phds

 

[Zander]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

 

[serenesam]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life.

Yet the neuroscientist Sam Harris doesn't think so. Youtube search "Sam Harris Freewill."

Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it.

Never? What's wrong with people being entitled to a job? Don't you want people to work?

 

[Old Rocks]

Get a job, ya stinkin' hippie!

Get some brains, ya stinkin' NeoCon!

 

[Old Rocks]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

I see. Well, here is hoping that you are diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow. Then you can check out what you did that caused that.

Seriously, that is a insane of a statement as those made by the 'we are all victims of fate' crowd.

Many things in life happen without any input from the person they happen too. If one survives them, you can determine how you react, but there is no way that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

 

[Zander]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

I see. Well, here is hoping that you are diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow. Then you can check out what you did that caused that.

Seriously, that is a insane of a statement as those made by the 'we are all victims of fate' crowd.

Many things in life happen without any input from the person they happen too. If one survives them, you can determine how you react, but there is no way that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

You're just an old burned out loser who made poor choices and now wants a free handout from everyone else. People like you are the problem in this country. You pretend to be compassionate and caring - yet here you hoping that I get terminal cancer. You're an uneducated hypocrite.

Here's the deal Old Rocks in the head - You are responsible for everything in your life- even the bad shit that you think you have no control over. If you get cancer you are responsible. There is a difference between blame and responsibility, if you are too thickheaded to grasp it, that's your own problem. The sooner the simpletons like you realize that government is not your mommy, the better their lives will be.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am definitely a supporter of Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) - h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act

However, health care does not need to be reshaped and it amazes me to see how complicated the bill is. All they could have done was this: Effective immediately: Expand Medicaid eligibility; all individuals with income up to 133% of the poverty line qualify for coverage, including adults without dependent children. Just one statement.

And yes, this is in alignment with Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights:

The Second Bill of Rights was a list of rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then President of the United States, during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944. In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

Employment, with a living wage,
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
Housing,
Medical care,
Education, and,
Social security

h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

From chapter two of Peter Ferrara's "America's Ticking Bankruptc Bomb,"

When the President rushed through Obamacare, he promised it would reduce the deficit, citing CBO’s scoring! Of course, he never revealed, as was done in the 2010 Annual Report of the Medicare Board of Trustees and the 2010 Financial Report of the United States Government, that Obamacare policies will cut payments for doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers by $15 trillion.


So...you think any of the above will continue to stick around?

 

[Zander]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life.

Yet the neuroscientist Sam Harris doesn't think so. Youtube search "Sam Harris Freewill."

Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it.

Never? What's wrong with people being entitled to a job? Don't you want people to work?

Listen up moron! You have no RIGHT to a job, a house, health care, social security, or anything else that you're begging society for. You have the "right" of equality of opportunity. That's it. The rest is up to you. The sooner you understand that concept the better off you'll be.

If you want a place to live, you'd better find a way to pay for it. Same goes for food, clothing, health care, and everything else in this world. There is no free lunch and there never will be. Sure, you can find a way to eek out a miserable existence living on friends sofa's and counting on the kindness of strangers. That's a choice. Maybe you enjoy being a loser, a parasite, a filthy pig? Perhaps living under a park bench sounds appealing to you? If that is what you seek, you will surely find it!

Just remember, society doesn't owe you squat pal. You are responsible for your own life. There will never be a 2nd bill of rights.

 

[California Girl]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

I see. Well, here is hoping that you are diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow. Then you can check out what you did that caused that.

Seriously, that is a insane of a statement as those made by the 'we are all victims of fate' crowd.

Many things in life happen without any input from the person they happen too. If one survives them, you can determine how you react, but there is no way that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

You are one sick freak, hoping that someone gets diagnosed with terminal cancer.... that is just not the thought process of a normal human being.

 

[Zander]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

I see. Well, here is hoping that you are diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow. Then you can check out what you did that caused that.

Seriously, that is a insane of a statement as those made by the 'we are all victims of fate' crowd.

Many things in life happen without any input from the person they happen too. If one survives them, you can determine how you react, but there is no way that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

You are one sick freak, hoping that someone gets diagnosed with terminal cancer.... that is just not the thought process of a normal human being.

He's anything but normal....

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am definitely a supporter of Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) - h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act

However, health care does not need to be reshaped and it amazes me to see how complicated the bill is. All they could have done was this: Effective immediately: Expand Medicaid eligibility; all individuals with income up to 133% of the poverty line qualify for coverage, including adults without dependent children. Just one statement.

And yes, this is in alignment with Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights:

The Second Bill of Rights was a list of rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then President of the United States, during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944. In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

Employment, with a living wage,
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
Housing,
Medical care,
Education, and,
Social security

h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

Have you read “Why Obamacare Is Wrong For America,” by Turner, Capretta, Miller and Moffit?

No?

How about the following:

1.Obamacare will collect more than $500 billion in new taxes and take $575 billion from Medicare over the next ten years.

a. Two new entitlements, plus a big Medicaid expansion, are created to reduce the number of uninsured, at a cost of at least $2.3 trillion- that’s TRILLION- over the first ten years of full implementation.

2. With each passing year new taxes will be imposed. As disclosed on the attached chart from the
California Hospital Association:

• 2011: A 2.5% excise tax is imposed on pharmaceuticals. (This is part of the plan to pay for the
reform law.) This cost – which will be in the billions of dollars - will be passed on to health care
providers, primarily hospitals, who already operate with very thin margins, and will be under
great financial pressure to raise their rates to pay for it, with resulting price pressure on health
insurance premiums.
• 2012: That excise tax increases to 3%.
• 2013: A separate 2.9% excise tax on medical devices will begin. The same pass-through will take
place, creating the same pressures on providers and on insurance premiums.
• 2014: An $8 billion fee on health insurance premiums kicks in. Obviously consumers will bear
this tax and their premiums will rise.
Because of all these costs, Obamacare is generally unsustainable. Here is one study that addresses that
issue:
Obamacare: The Real Price Tag is a Moving Target

3. As is usual for liberal-progressives, the element of coercion is an intrinsic ‘twin’ to their intentions, and it remains so in Obamacare. Beginning in 2014, everyone will face a penalty if they don’t purchase a health policy that meets the government’s definition of a ‘minimum essential’ level of health coverage. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Public Law 111-148, Section 1501.

a. It will be enforced by the IRS. Obamacare authorizes the hiring of 16,500 additional agents. “the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the ‘reconciliation’ bill being taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend. ...” 16,500 more IRS agents needed to enforce Obamacare | J.P. Freire | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

So, if you intend to remain a suppoorter of Obamacare, be sure to remain ignorant of its implications.

 

[Greenbeard]

However, health care does not need to be reshaped and it amazes me to see how complicated the bill is. All they could have done was this: Effective immediately: Expand Medicaid eligibility; all individuals with income up to 133% of the poverty line qualify for coverage, including adults without dependent children. Just one statement.

That would be simpler but it wouldn't address the broken individual and small group health insurance markets faced by individuals and small businesses over 133% of the poverty line. It wouldn't give states the additional support they need as they expand their Medicaid programs, nor would it give them additional options within Medicaid for improving the quality of care and reining in costs. Indeed, it wouldn't have even paid for the additional federal share of the Medicaid expansion.

It wouldn't have instituted reforms to payment and service delivery in Medicare that are needed to put the program on a more sustainable long-term footing, nor would it have provided additional resources and authority to strengthen program integrity in public programs to step up the fight against fraud and abuse. It wouldn't have addressed workforce issues to start rectifying ongoing physician shortages.

The bill you're describing wouldn't have addressed health care itself--i.e. improving quality and tackling costs to move the system toward sustainability--and it would've left a significant chunk of the coverage picture unaddressed. The ACA did touch all of those areas, which is why it's not a one-sentence law.

 

[serenesam]

Listen up moron!

Listen up beyond moron!

You have no RIGHT to a job, a house, health care, social security, or anything else that you're begging society for. You have the "right" of equality of opportunity.

How is this possible if there isn't a "right" of equality of opportunity when the number of people applying for jobs does not equal to the job positions available?

That's it. The rest is up to you. The sooner you understand that concept the better off you'll be. If you want a place to live, you'd better find a way to pay for it. Same goes for food, clothing, health care, and everything else in this world. There is no free lunch and there never will be. Sure, you can find a way to eek out a miserable existence living on friends sofa's and counting on the kindness of strangers. That's a choice. Maybe you enjoy being a loser, a parasite, a filthy pig? Perhaps living under a park bench sounds appealing to you? If that is what you seek, you will surely find it!

Just remember, society doesn't owe you squat pal. You are responsible for your own life. There will never be a 2nd bill of rights.

Who knows. Maybe there will. I am certainly no psychic.

 

[serenesam]

From chapter two of Peter Ferrara's "America's Ticking Bankruptc Bomb,"

When the President rushed through Obamacare, he promised it would reduce the deficit, citing CBO’s scoring! Of course, he never revealed, as was done in the 2010 Annual Report of the Medicare Board of Trustees and the 2010 Financial Report of the United States Government, that Obamacare policies will cut payments for doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers by $15 trillion.


So...you think any of the above will continue to stick around?

Yes, the government will have no choice but to take care of its people. If they don't, there would be mass riots and crime. People will do what they have to do to survive.

Also there's a great book by Damon Vickers called "The Day After the Dollar Crashes"

Perhaps only a collapse is necessary for a brand new global economic and social system to occur. This is predicted from numerous people both on the Right and on the Left and all others from Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Marc Faber, Zeitgeist experts, Peter Schiff, etc.

 

[serenesam]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

I see. Well, here is hoping that you are diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow. Then you can check out what you did that caused that.

Seriously, that is a insane of a statement as those made by the 'we are all victims of fate' crowd.

Many things in life happen without any input from the person they happen too. If one survives them, you can determine how you react, but there is no way that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

You are one sick freak, hoping that someone gets diagnosed with terminal cancer.... that is just not the thought process of a normal human being.

Yeah, I have to agree. Regardless of our position in politics, we should never hope someone gets diagnosed with terminal cancer. In Love and Light.

 

[serenesam]

I am definitely a supporter of Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) - h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act

However, health care does not need to be reshaped and it amazes me to see how complicated the bill is. All they could have done was this: Effective immediately: Expand Medicaid eligibility; all individuals with income up to 133% of the poverty line qualify for coverage, including adults without dependent children. Just one statement.

And yes, this is in alignment with Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights:

The Second Bill of Rights was a list of rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then President of the United States, during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944. In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

Employment, with a living wage,
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
Housing,
Medical care,
Education, and,
Social security

h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

Have you read “Why Obamacare Is Wrong For America,” by Turner, Capretta, Miller and Moffit?

No?

How about the following:

1.Obamacare will collect more than $500 billion in new taxes and take $575 billion from Medicare over the next ten years.

a. Two new entitlements, plus a big Medicaid expansion, are created to reduce the number of uninsured, at a cost of at least $2.3 trillion- that’s TRILLION- over the first ten years of full implementation.

2. With each passing year new taxes will be imposed. As disclosed on the attached chart from the
California Hospital Association:

• 2011: A 2.5% excise tax is imposed on pharmaceuticals. (This is part of the plan to pay for the
reform law.) This cost – which will be in the billions of dollars - will be passed on to health care
providers, primarily hospitals, who already operate with very thin margins, and will be under
great financial pressure to raise their rates to pay for it, with resulting price pressure on health
insurance premiums.
• 2012: That excise tax increases to 3%.
• 2013: A separate 2.9% excise tax on medical devices will begin. The same pass-through will take
place, creating the same pressures on providers and on insurance premiums.
• 2014: An $8 billion fee on health insurance premiums kicks in. Obviously consumers will bear
this tax and their premiums will rise.
Because of all these costs, Obamacare is generally unsustainable. Here is one study that addresses that
issue:
Obamacare: The Real Price Tag is a Moving Target

3. As is usual for liberal-progressives, the element of coercion is an intrinsic ‘twin’ to their intentions, and it remains so in Obamacare. Beginning in 2014, everyone will face a penalty if they don’t purchase a health policy that meets the government’s definition of a ‘minimum essential’ level of health coverage. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Public Law 111-148, Section 1501.

a. It will be enforced by the IRS. Obamacare authorizes the hiring of 16,500 additional agents. “the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the ‘reconciliation’ bill being taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend. ...” 16,500 more IRS agents needed to enforce Obamacare | J.P. Freire | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

So, if you intend to remain a suppoorter of Obamacare, be sure to remain ignorant of its implications.

Okay, I will.

More lives will be saved for the uninsured at the expense of those with lots of money.

 

[serenesam]

That would be simpler but it wouldn't address the broken individual and small group health insurance markets faced by individuals and small businesses over 133% of the poverty line. It wouldn't give states the additional support they need as they expand their Medicaid programs, nor would it give them additional options within Medicaid for improving the quality of care and reining in costs. Indeed, it wouldn't have even paid for the additional federal share of the Medicaid expansion.

It wouldn't have instituted reforms to payment and service delivery in Medicare that are needed to put the program on a more sustainable long-term footing, nor would it have provided additional resources and authority to strengthen program integrity in public programs to step up the fight against fraud and abuse. It wouldn't have addressed workforce issues to start rectifying ongoing physician shortages.

The bill you're describing wouldn't have addressed health care itself--i.e. improving quality and tackling costs to move the system toward sustainability--and it would've left a significant chunk of the coverage picture unaddressed. The ACA did touch all of those areas, which is why it's not a one-sentence law.

Yes, I can see where you are coming from but that is what is frustrating about life in that everything has to be so complicated. Okay then, why can't there be universal health care with high quality for everyone then?

 

[ShackledNation]

Did the OP intentionally omit reasoning behind his claims or was he simply forgetful?