2aguy
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bgrouse said:Nice course! So the instructor intentionally introduced unrealistic parameters into the course in order to get you to fail. Sounds very political.
bgrouse said:That's because you're a dumbass. Intelligent people understand the deck was unrealistically and needlessly stacked against you to make you make those errors. They must raise you Brits to be stupid, loyal subjects.
Thank you for your reply, the course was an eye opener indeed. It was run by representatives of a private security company that specialises in providing bodyguards and other private security functions for VIPs, most of the employees are either ex-special forces or paratroopers or Royal Marine Commandos. The idea of the run around was to artificially create an adrenaline rush and the shouting at us was designed to induce a level of distraction that would come from shouts and screams of nearby bystanders.
As any shooter will tell you, controlling your breathing and heart rate is important when trying to shoot with any degree of accuracy. Short of them shooting live ammunition at us, it was about as realistic as you could get in a simulation.
Interestingly, the gentleman who came top was himself a retired army officer who had seen action in the Falklands, and he only managed 8 bad guys and 3 innocent bystanders!
bgrouse said:It stacks the deck in favor of a violent criminal, who has more experience with it.
Very good point which also makes my argument for me, thank you. Armed or not, a violent criminal will always have more “experience” than a normal “civilian” and be more likely to win in either a “shoot out” or a “punch up”. Very few average people have the skills of a Chuck Norris or a Steven Segal in either fire arms or unarmed combat.
I’ve no objection to people owning guns for recreation, but if they want to use them for “self defence” they should have extensive training and be certified accordingly; if only to avoid the number of innocent bystanders shot accidently by any budding “Rambos” who want to show how macho they are.
Very good point which also makes my argument for me, thank you. Armed or not, a violent criminal will always have more “experience” than a normal “civilian” and be more likely to win in either a “shoot out” or a “punch up”. Very few average people have the skills of a Chuck Norris or a Steven Segal in either fire arms or unarmed combat.
And yet, you are wrong. Criminals run away from armed victims, we know this from experience here in the U.S. The victims here who use guns and fight off criminals are rarely Navy SEALs or DELTA operators.....you really don't understand firearms and how they are used in actual self defense......
Here are just a few stories of average people, with little to no training with guns, using them to fight off attackers.....notice the outcomes...
Suspect Puts Gun to Man's Head Only to Flee Scene Under Barrage of Bullets
A suspect put a gun to a man’s head on Thursday only to flee under a barrage of bullets after the would-be victim pulled his own gun and opened fire.
The incident occurred in Philadelphia’s West Oak Lane.
According to 6 ABC, Rahkeim Kelly was “headed home from buying a soda” when the suspect in a hoodie approached and put a gun to his head. Kelly managed to move away quickly, take cover behind a car, draw his own gun, and open fire.
The suspect, 22-year-old Osirus Lester, fled the scene.
Kelly said, “I fired two shots first, then he tried to take off running. I fired one more, then he ended up dropping the gun. He ran off and I just went and secured the weapon.”
Lester was arrested within minutes with a gunshot wound to his wrist.
Philadelphia Police Capt. Sekou Kinnebrew said, “[Kelly] does have a valid permit to carry. We checked that out. He’s the victim of a robbery. He did attempt to retreat, taking cover behind a car. But the offender continued to aggress, and (the victim) had to defend himself.”
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11/25/17
Auto shop employees credited with taking down accused Rockledge gunman
ROCKLEDGE — A man armed with a .45-caliber handgun and a lot of ammunition wandered onto an auto repair shop property and began firing in the parking lot Friday afternoon, police said.
The gunman killed one employee and paralyzed a second. That's when the employees at Schlenker Automotive fought back with equal force, Rockledge police chief Joseph La Sata said.
"The manager, who was a concealed weapons permit holder, came out and engaged in gunfire in the parking lot," La Sata said. "The manager fled back inside the building, being chased by the gunman. Another Schlenker employee, who also had concealed weapons permit, engaged in gunfire with the suspect."
Police said the suspect in the homicide is Robert Lorenzo Bailey Jr., 28, of Cocoa. He was shot twice and was in critical condition at Health First's Holmes Regional Medical Center in Melbourne. Officers are keeping him under watch.
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11/15/17
Good Guy with Gun Stops Sex Assault on Hiking Trail
According to The Blaze, Josh Williams, 39, nearly left his handgun at home when heading out to the hiking trail on a dark morning back in September, but he felt the nagging sensation that he should take it anyway. That turned out to be the right call because while on the trail at 5:30 a.m., Williams heard a woman scream loud enough to get past his music-blaring earbuds.
In the darkness, Williams shined his flashlight and discovered a woman being sexually assaulted and approached the perpetrator.
“I came up, pulled my gun and told him to get off of her,” Williams recalled. He then asked the man to get on his knees and asked to see his hands: “That way I knew he didn’t have a weapon. And at that point he was no threat, so I didn’t feel the need to shoot him.”
The perp ran away but thanks to a good description from both the victim and Williams, police were able to later apprehend 22-year-old Richard McEachern and charge him with sexual assault.
The victim was very glad Williams decided to carry that day and used a gun to save her from a dangerous situation. That was the first time Williams ever pointed his weapon at another person, but it confirmed for him the importance of the Second Amendment:
“It’s dark, and I don’t know what’s out there, so I have it to protect myself and other people. That’s what it’s all about anyway — to help other people with it, not just myself.
“I didn’t think I’d ever have to pull it. Did I want to? No, not at all. But just … right place, right time.”
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11/11/17
81-year-old homeowner fatally shoots armed robber
A suspect was shot and killed when he tried to rob an 81-year-old man at gunpoint outside of the man’s home in Genoa, Arkansas, on Thursday afternoon.
Buddy Cates told KSLA that he walked outside of his home around 1:30 p.m. and came face to face with the suspect, who authorities are still working to identify.
Cates said the suspect was holding a “big pistol,” but Cates also had his hand in his pocket, gripping his own gun.
“The battle was one,” Cates recalled, noting that, between the two, at least a dozen shots were fired.
“Whoever got the biggest gun and fastest will be boss when it is all said and done,” Cates said. “In this case, it was me.”
Cates was uninjured, but the suspect died after he was taken to a hospital in Texarkana, not far from Cates’ home.
After the attempted robbery and subsequent shooting, three women were arrested in connection to the crime, according to reports from the Texarkana Gazette. Kiana Keshaun Montgomery, 21; Shaynesha Martin, 19; and Ke’Erica Turner, 20, are all facing charges for aggravated robbery and are being held at the Miller County Detention Center. Authorities did not say what part the women played in the robbery or whether they are believed to be responsible for other crimes.