In 1948, Arabs threatened Palestinians with violence if they didn't leave Israel before the attack

[ForeverYoung436]

First of all it doesn't come from a Pamela Geller site, although I wouldn't be surprised if she carried it. It's a valid document designating the Mufti as the Nazi leader in the Middle East. Not that it needed to be reiterated. It's a historical fact. The rest of what you said is meaningless drivel. Case closed.

No it isn't. The document looks to have been doctored and refers to a document that no longer exists from 1936. Without seeing the content of the original document there is no way of determining the context, so it cannot be a valid source without corroboration.

This isn't a court of law. The Mufti was a genocidal Nazi, this is an indisputable historical fact. Squirm all you want it won't change a single thing.

No, it's an internet forum about politics. If the Mufti was a "genocidal Nazi", why did Zionist Israel leave him alone for decades, despite the fact that he lived just "next door" in Lebanon. Zionist Holocaust historiography devotes whole swathes of invective against the Mufti; second only to Hitler. Zionist Israel spent a lot of money, time and effort to capture Eichmann on the other side of the world, (who normally only gets a paragraph), why couldn't they bring the Mufti to trial like Eichmann?

He took refuge in a hostile Arab country, you moron. And then the dirtbag died. Lame excuse, try again, Achmed.

The Zionist IDF invaded Lebanon 3 times, in 1978, 1982 and 2006, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility he could have been snatched any time from 1959 until 1974, yet they didn't...why? He was only 70 miles away.

There was no invasion in 2006, as far as I know.

 

[montelatici]

Yes,

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

There was no mass killing of Jews and the mass killing of Christian Palestinians was undertaken by the Zionists. The Mufti implemented nothing. Begin and Shamir actually participated in the killing of Muslims and Christians.

What the Mufti did has been discussed. He was a racist, an antisemite, and a mass murderer who was part of the Nazi infrastructure. You are idolizing a Nazi with blood of tens of thousands of Christians and Jews. What a pathetic dirtbag. Go jump off the minaret or play in some traffic.

He hated the Jews that were invading his country as much as Zionists and their leaders hated the resident Christians and Muslims. The Zionist leaders collaborated with the British to eliminate the Christians and Muslims from Palestine and the Mufti collaborated with the Germans to try to prevent the removal of the Christians and Muslims from Palestine. Nothing unusual.

The Mufti talked on the radio, encouraged Muslims to support Germany and called for the elimination of Jews from Palestine especially. But, in effect, he was not hands on in the killing, as the Zionist leaders like Begin Shamir and other Zionists were.

He hated Jews, he hated Christians, and he worked to kill both of them and he succeeded. While serving in the Ottoman army, he watched the Ottoman Muslims commit genocide on the Armenian Christians and wanted the same for the Jews and Christians of the Middle East. He had whole divisions of Muslim Nazis who ended up slaughtering tens of thousands of Christians and burning churches. He made personal visits to Arab nations and convinced they do to the Jews what the Nazis were doing to them in Europe. You are pathetic with no morals or ethics. Just a mentally ill Jew hater.

He had nothing to do with the Armenian genocide. As your own link states, he heard about. He led no divisions of Muslims in Europe. The Muslim, mostly Bosnians, were undr German command and attacked when the Germans said to attack. And they certainly did not attack the Germans, Croats, Hungarians and others that were Christians.

You do not seem to be able to get it through your thick skull that the Mufti knew what the Zionists and the British were planning to do with the Palestinians. Do you think he should have sat by and done nothing? Of course he would try to gather as much support to try to regain the land taken from his people. As a neutral, it is easy to see the dynamic, you are so partisan for one side you can't think straight. Combine that with your limited intelligence and you appear to be a complete maniac.

 

[Challenger]

No it isn't. The document looks to have been doctored and refers to a document that no longer exists from 1936. Without seeing the content of the original document there is no way of determining the context, so it cannot be a valid source without corroboration.

This isn't a court of law. The Mufti was a genocidal Nazi, this is an indisputable historical fact. Squirm all you want it won't change a single thing.

No, it's an internet forum about politics. If the Mufti was a "genocidal Nazi", why did Zionist Israel leave him alone for decades, despite the fact that he lived just "next door" in Lebanon. Zionist Holocaust historiography devotes whole swathes of invective against the Mufti; second only to Hitler. Zionist Israel spent a lot of money, time and effort to capture Eichmann on the other side of the world, (who normally only gets a paragraph), why couldn't they bring the Mufti to trial like Eichmann?

He took refuge in a hostile Arab country, you moron. And then the dirtbag died. Lame excuse, try again, Achmed.

The Zionist IDF invaded Lebanon 3 times, in 1978, 1982 and 2006, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility he could have been snatched any time from 1959 until 1974, yet they didn't...why? He was only 70 miles away.

Ha ha ha. What warped logic you have. The Hezbollah and Hamas terrorist leaders are only a few miles away too! Why don't the Israelis snatch them? Because you are a moron. That's why.

Hezbullah and Hamas didn't exist then; the Lebanese army was no match for the IDF and Haj Amin al-Husseini wasn't even hiding, so it should have been easier to snatch him than it was to snatch Eichmann, yet they didn't...why?

 

[Challenger]

No it isn't. The document looks to have been doctored and refers to a document that no longer exists from 1936. Without seeing the content of the original document there is no way of determining the context, so it cannot be a valid source without corroboration.

This isn't a court of law. The Mufti was a genocidal Nazi, this is an indisputable historical fact. Squirm all you want it won't change a single thing.

No, it's an internet forum about politics. If the Mufti was a "genocidal Nazi", why did Zionist Israel leave him alone for decades, despite the fact that he lived just "next door" in Lebanon. Zionist Holocaust historiography devotes whole swathes of invective against the Mufti; second only to Hitler. Zionist Israel spent a lot of money, time and effort to capture Eichmann on the other side of the world, (who normally only gets a paragraph), why couldn't they bring the Mufti to trial like Eichmann?

He took refuge in a hostile Arab country, you moron. And then the dirtbag died. Lame excuse, try again, Achmed.

The Zionist IDF invaded Lebanon 3 times, in 1978, 1982 and 2006, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility he could have been snatched any time from 1959 until 1974, yet they didn't...why? He was only 70 miles away.

There was no invasion in 2006, as far as I know.

2006 War Called a Failure for Israel

 

[Challenger]

Except it doesn't. Setting aside for the moment this comes from a Pamela Geller blog site, there's something wrong with the scanned document. the "title" U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader seems to bear no relation to the actual document, it appears to have been typed onto the document at a different date or time, possibly by a different typewriter. The document is a rough translation from a missing German pre war document, so it's provenance is suspect, as well as the allegations.

What's even more interesting is the allegations that Nazi Germany financed the 1936 Palestinian uprising as well as supplying arms to ibn Saud, no other historian has made any similar allegations.

Nope, nothing there either. Is that it?

First of all it doesn't come from a Pamela Geller site, although I wouldn't be surprised if she carried it. It's a valid document designating the Mufti as the Nazi leader in the Middle East. Not that it needed to be reiterated. It's a historical fact. The rest of what you said is meaningless drivel. Case closed.

No it isn't. The document looks to have been doctored and refers to a document that no longer exists from 1936. Without seeing the content of the original document there is no way of determining the context, so it cannot be a valid source without corroboration.

This isn't a court of law. The Mufti was a genocidal Nazi, this is an indisputable historical fact. Squirm all you want it won't change a single thing.

No, it's an internet forum about politics. If the Mufti was a "genocidal Nazi", why did Zionist Israel leave him alone for decades, despite the fact that he lived just "next door" in Lebanon. Zionist Holocaust historiography devotes whole swathes of invective against the Mufti; second only to Hitler. Zionist Israel spent a lot of money, time and effort to capture Eichmann on the other side of the world, (who normally only gets a paragraph), why couldn't they bring the Mufti to trial like Eichmann?

It was best that Israel left the Mufti alone so the whole world would know.

Know what? They could have done the same with Eichmann then, the whole world knew of his crimes. The Mufti is only second to Hitler in Zionist historiography as an "icon of evil", yet they let him live in peace 70 miles away. the Zionist regime regularly murders Palestinian government officials and leaders, Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh for example, killed 2 Israeli soldiers and they sent 33 mossad agents to Dubai to assassinate him, yet they left the Mufti, allegedly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Jewish people alone for decades, seems a bit strange, given the Zionist mentality.

 

[Phoenall]

Geller is a disgusting racist pig that publishes Islamophobic material. Articles are real propaganda, you are correct in that.

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

There was no mass killing of Jews in Palestine in 1948 and the mass killing of Christian Palestinians was undertaken by the Zionists. The Mufti implemented nothing. Begin and Shamir actually participated in the killing of Muslims and Christians.

What do you call the killing of 10% of the Jews in Palestine if not mass killing, less than 0.01% of arab muslims were killed at the same time

 

[Challenger]

What are YOU unable to comprehend?! I quoted the Arab leaders, threatening the Palestinians to get out of the way. Even confirmed by Palestinian leaders.

Case closed.

It sure is. You have made a fool of. LOL

Poor MonkeyNaziti. He's running on empty, everything he's tried has failed so now he's resorting to flaming. Tell you what MonkeyNaziti, I won't report you just to keep you and those two other propagandist assholes manning the MonkeyNaziti screen name around, so we can laugh at you some more.

Projecting again Roufti. I just state the fact that you have been made a fool of as usual. It is you, in your frustration, that brings us comic relief with your childish personal insults.

Take a lunch break Abdul, let Achmed take over. Yeah, a concerned Christian who parks on the Israel Palestine forum 24/7 expressing his admiration for the genocidal Palestinian Nazi mufti. Talk about comic relief.

Still got nothing then....

 

[Phoenall]

Geller is a disgusting racist pig that publishes Islamophobic material. Articles are real propaganda, you are correct in that.

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

There was no mass killing of Jews in Palestine in 1948 and the mass killing of Christian Palestinians was undertaken by the Zionists. The Mufti implemented nothing. Begin and Shamir actually participated in the killing of Muslims and Christians.

What do you call the killing of 10% of the Jews in Palestine if not mass killing, less than 0.01% of arab muslims were killed at the same time

 

[Roudy]

Geller is a disgusting racist pig that publishes Islamophobic material. Articles are real propaganda, you are correct in that.

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

King David Hotel?

bzzzz try again. Do you guys have anything but the usual talking points. What will you bring up next? Let me guess, USS Liberty, the Jews started WWI, the Jews did 9-11, the Joooos, the Joooos, the Joooooooos.

 

[montelatici]

Geller is a disgusting racist pig that publishes Islamophobic material. Articles are real propaganda, you are correct in that.

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

King David Hotel?

bzzzz try again. Do you guys have anything but the usual talking points. What will you bring up next? Let me guess, USS Liberty, the Jews started WWI, the Jews did 9-11, the Joooos, the Joooos, the Joooooooos.

From the clown that posts from the Hasbara menu of retorts.

 

[Roudy]

Geller is a disgusting racist pig that publishes Islamophobic material. Articles are real propaganda, you are correct in that.

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

So you admit that you are a Palestinian then ?

The paid propagandist convert probably has a Palestinian boyfriend or something. He adores all genocidal Jew haters like the Nazis, the mufti, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran's Ayatollahs, etc. basically anybody that either wanted or wants all Jews dead.

Back to childish attacks? Fair enough, just proves categorically you have nothing.

No actually you and Monte are the ones that have nothing. Never did, never will.

 

[Roudy]

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

King David Hotel?

bzzzz try again. Do you guys have anything but the usual talking points. What will you bring up next? Let me guess, USS Liberty, the Jews started WWI, the Jews did 9-11, the Joooos, the Joooos, the Joooooooos.

From the clown that posts from the Hasbara menu of retorts.

Looked at your picture, MonkeyNazi? Your the clown who posts the same garbage over and over and over. Damn, I just took a five minute break from work, and guess what, here you are again. What a fucking troll.

 

[Roudy]

Yes,

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

There was no mass killing of Jews and the mass killing of Christian Palestinians was undertaken by the Zionists. The Mufti implemented nothing. Begin and Shamir actually participated in the killing of Muslims and Christians.

What the Mufti did has been discussed. He was a racist, an antisemite, and a mass murderer who was part of the Nazi infrastructure. You are idolizing a Nazi with blood of tens of thousands of Christians and Jews. What a pathetic dirtbag. Go jump off the minaret or play in some traffic.

He hated the Jews that were invading his country as much as Zionists and their leaders hated the resident Christians and Muslims. The Zionist leaders collaborated with the British to eliminate the Christians and Muslims from Palestine and the Mufti collaborated with the Germans to try to prevent the removal of the Christians and Muslims from Palestine. Nothing unusual.

The Mufti talked on the radio, encouraged Muslims to support Germany and called for the elimination of Jews from Palestine especially. But, in effect, he was not hands on in the killing, as the Zionist leaders like Begin Shamir and other Zionists were.

He hated Jews, he hated Christians, and he worked to kill both of them and he succeeded. While serving in the Ottoman army, he watched the Ottoman Muslims commit genocide on the Armenian Christians and wanted the same for the Jews and Christians of the Middle East. He had whole divisions of Muslim Nazis who ended up slaughtering tens of thousands of Christians and burning churches. He made personal visits to Arab nations and convinced they do to the Jews what the Nazis were doing to them in Europe. You are pathetic with no morals or ethics. Just a mentally ill Jew hater.

He had nothing to do with the Armenian genocide. As your own link states, he heard about. He led no divisions of Muslims in Europe. The Muslim, mostly Bosnians, were undr German command and attacked when the Germans said to attack. And they certainly did not attack the Germans, Croats, Hungarians and others that were Christians.

You do not seem to be able to get it through your thick skull that the Mufti knew what the Zionists and the British were planning to do with the Palestinians. Do you think he should have sat by and done nothing? Of course he would try to gather as much support to try to regain the land taken from his people. As a neutral, it is easy to see the dynamic, you are so partisan for one side you can't think straight. Combine that with your limited intelligence and you appear to be a complete maniac.

Of course he did, he organized and led the Muslim Nazis who went around killing Christians and burning churches. Get your head out of your Mohammad, MonkeyNazi:

Hitler s Mufti Catholic Answers

To assist the practical slaughter of Jews and Christians, al-Husseini built an army of Muslim volunteer units for the Waffen-SS (the combat units of the dread SS) to operate for the Nazi cause in the Balkans. While the appeal for volunteers from among Muslims always struggled to meet the demands for new recruits, al-Husseini was able to organize three divisions of Bosnian Muslims who were then trained as elements of the Waffen-SS. The largest radical Muslim unit was the 13th Waffen-SS Handzar ("Dagger") division that boasted over 21,000 men. They were joined by the Bosnian 23rd Waffen-SS Kama Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen-SS Division. The Muslim Waffen-SSforces fought across the Balkans against Communist partisans and then assisted in the genocide of Yugoslavian Jews and in the persecution and slaughter of Gypsies and Christian Serbs in 1944 and 1945. The brutality extended to Catholics as well, for the Muslim Waffen-SS cut a path of destruction across the Balkans that encompassed a large number of Catholic parishes, churches, and shrines and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Catholics. By the end of the war, al-Husseini’s fanatical soldiers had killed over 90 percent of the Jews in Bosnia.

 

[Challenger]

Yes,

There was no mass killing of Jews and the mass killing of Christian Palestinians was undertaken by the Zionists. The Mufti implemented nothing. Begin and Shamir actually participated in the killing of Muslims and Christians.

What the Mufti did has been discussed. He was a racist, an antisemite, and a mass murderer who was part of the Nazi infrastructure. You are idolizing a Nazi with blood of tens of thousands of Christians and Jews. What a pathetic dirtbag. Go jump off the minaret or play in some traffic.

He hated the Jews that were invading his country as much as Zionists and their leaders hated the resident Christians and Muslims. The Zionist leaders collaborated with the British to eliminate the Christians and Muslims from Palestine and the Mufti collaborated with the Germans to try to prevent the removal of the Christians and Muslims from Palestine. Nothing unusual.

The Mufti talked on the radio, encouraged Muslims to support Germany and called for the elimination of Jews from Palestine especially. But, in effect, he was not hands on in the killing, as the Zionist leaders like Begin Shamir and other Zionists were.

He hated Jews, he hated Christians, and he worked to kill both of them and he succeeded. While serving in the Ottoman army, he watched the Ottoman Muslims commit genocide on the Armenian Christians and wanted the same for the Jews and Christians of the Middle East. He had whole divisions of Muslim Nazis who ended up slaughtering tens of thousands of Christians and burning churches. He made personal visits to Arab nations and convinced they do to the Jews what the Nazis were doing to them in Europe. You are pathetic with no morals or ethics. Just a mentally ill Jew hater.

He had nothing to do with the Armenian genocide. As your own link states, he heard about. He led no divisions of Muslims in Europe. The Muslim, mostly Bosnians, were undr German command and attacked when the Germans said to attack. And they certainly did not attack the Germans, Croats, Hungarians and others that were Christians.

You do not seem to be able to get it through your thick skull that the Mufti knew what the Zionists and the British were planning to do with the Palestinians. Do you think he should have sat by and done nothing? Of course he would try to gather as much support to try to regain the land taken from his people. As a neutral, it is easy to see the dynamic, you are so partisan for one side you can't think straight. Combine that with your limited intelligence and you appear to be a complete maniac.

Of course he did, he organized and led the Muslim Nazis who went around killing Christians and burning churches. Get your head out of your Mohammad, MonkeyNazi:

Hitler s Mufti Catholic Answers

To assist the practical slaughter of Jews and Christians, al-Husseini built an army of Muslim volunteer units for the Waffen-SS (the combat units of the dread SS) to operate for the Nazi cause in the Balkans. While the appeal for volunteers from among Muslims always struggled to meet the demands for new recruits, al-Husseini was able to organize three divisions of Bosnian Muslims who were then trained as elements of the Waffen-SS. The largest radical Muslim unit was the 13th Waffen-SS Handzar ("Dagger") division that boasted over 21,000 men. They were joined by the Bosnian 23rd Waffen-SS Kama Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen-SS Division. The Muslim Waffen-SSforces fought across the Balkans against Communist partisans and then assisted in the genocide of Yugoslavian Jews and in the persecution and slaughter of Gypsies and Christian Serbs in 1944 and 1945. The brutality extended to Catholics as well, for the Muslim Waffen-SS cut a path of destruction across the Balkans that encompassed a large number of Catholic parishes, churches, and shrines and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Catholics. By the end of the war, al-Husseini’s fanatical soldiers had killed over 90 percent of the Jews in Bosnia.

Back to Catholic Answers then, *sigh*. OK factual errors in the Catholic Answers article:

13th SS Mountain Infantry Division "Handschar" was also known as "1st Croatian" It was not a "Muslim" Division because it contained a large proportion of Catholic Croats and German "volksdeutsche". According to records it reached a paper strength of 21,065 men in 1943 it never attained an operational strength of more than 17,000 men in action in 1944-45. It was the only SS division to mutiny against the Nazi regime and was prone to high rates of desertion from its Muslim soldiers.

The 23rd SS Mountain Division (2nd Croatian) was known as "Kama" although it never reached more than an operational Brigade strength of 2,199 men and was raised from Serbo-Croat Hungarians and forced Bosnian conscripts, most of whom deserted at the first opportunity. The 23rd ended up composed mainly of of Croats, Germans and Hungarian "volksdeutsche". Ultimately it was in such a poor shape it was disbanded to be replaced by the 23rd SS Division called "Nederland"; composed mainly of Dutch Fascist volunteers.

The 21st SS Mountain Division "Skanderbeg" was the only unit known to have taken part in anti-Jewish operations. Another patheticaly small Brigade sizred unit it was composed mainly from Albanians from the Kosovo region. From it's inception the unit was more interested in settling old scores with the local Serbs than fighting a war. An Army Group E report rated the unit's performance as having "absolutely no military value."

There is absolutely no evidence that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem played any part in leading or organising these units other than making propaganda speeches to encourage recruitment, largely a failed effort.

As regards the fate of the Jewish population of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the overwhelming majority were murdered or deported by the Ustase, a Croatian Catholic/Fascist organisation, before any of these three SS units were created.

Oh the Catholic Answers article is based on these sources:

• Dalin, David and John Rothmann, Icon of Evil: Hitler’s Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam (Random House, 2008)
• Elpeleg, Zvi, The Grand Mufti: Haj Amin Al-Hussaini, Founder of the Palestinian National Movement (Frank Cass, 1993)
• Morse, Chuck, The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin al-Husseini (iUniverse, 2003)
• Perlman, Moshe, Mufti of Jerusalem (Pavilion Press, 2006)
• Dalin, David, The Myth of Hitler’s Pope (Regnery, 2005)

Dalin and Rothman, and Morse and Perlemanare not historians, Epeleg tries his best, I'll give him credit, but still fails to produce an objective biography, free of Zionist taint. Perlman, was the first IDF "spokesman" so his work should be treated with caution.

 

[Challenger]

Geller is a disgusting racist pig that publishes Islamophobic material. Articles are real propaganda, you are correct in that.

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

King David Hotel?

bzzzz try again. Do you guys have anything but the usual talking points. What will you bring up next? Let me guess, USS Liberty, the Jews started WWI, the Jews did 9-11, the Joooos, the Joooos, the Joooooooos.

So...you've still got nothing....

 

[Roudy]

Yes,

What the Mufti did has been discussed. He was a racist, an antisemite, and a mass murderer who was part of the Nazi infrastructure. You are idolizing a Nazi with blood of tens of thousands of Christians and Jews. What a pathetic dirtbag. Go jump off the minaret or play in some traffic.

He hated the Jews that were invading his country as much as Zionists and their leaders hated the resident Christians and Muslims. The Zionist leaders collaborated with the British to eliminate the Christians and Muslims from Palestine and the Mufti collaborated with the Germans to try to prevent the removal of the Christians and Muslims from Palestine. Nothing unusual.

The Mufti talked on the radio, encouraged Muslims to support Germany and called for the elimination of Jews from Palestine especially. But, in effect, he was not hands on in the killing, as the Zionist leaders like Begin Shamir and other Zionists were.

He hated Jews, he hated Christians, and he worked to kill both of them and he succeeded. While serving in the Ottoman army, he watched the Ottoman Muslims commit genocide on the Armenian Christians and wanted the same for the Jews and Christians of the Middle East. He had whole divisions of Muslim Nazis who ended up slaughtering tens of thousands of Christians and burning churches. He made personal visits to Arab nations and convinced they do to the Jews what the Nazis were doing to them in Europe. You are pathetic with no morals or ethics. Just a mentally ill Jew hater.

He had nothing to do with the Armenian genocide. As your own link states, he heard about. He led no divisions of Muslims in Europe. The Muslim, mostly Bosnians, were undr German command and attacked when the Germans said to attack. And they certainly did not attack the Germans, Croats, Hungarians and others that were Christians.

You do not seem to be able to get it through your thick skull that the Mufti knew what the Zionists and the British were planning to do with the Palestinians. Do you think he should have sat by and done nothing? Of course he would try to gather as much support to try to regain the land taken from his people. As a neutral, it is easy to see the dynamic, you are so partisan for one side you can't think straight. Combine that with your limited intelligence and you appear to be a complete maniac.

Of course he did, he organized and led the Muslim Nazis who went around killing Christians and burning churches. Get your head out of your Mohammad, MonkeyNazi:

Hitler s Mufti Catholic Answers

To assist the practical slaughter of Jews and Christians, al-Husseini built an army of Muslim volunteer units for the Waffen-SS (the combat units of the dread SS) to operate for the Nazi cause in the Balkans. While the appeal for volunteers from among Muslims always struggled to meet the demands for new recruits, al-Husseini was able to organize three divisions of Bosnian Muslims who were then trained as elements of the Waffen-SS. The largest radical Muslim unit was the 13th Waffen-SS Handzar ("Dagger") division that boasted over 21,000 men. They were joined by the Bosnian 23rd Waffen-SS Kama Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen-SS Division. The Muslim Waffen-SSforces fought across the Balkans against Communist partisans and then assisted in the genocide of Yugoslavian Jews and in the persecution and slaughter of Gypsies and Christian Serbs in 1944 and 1945. The brutality extended to Catholics as well, for the Muslim Waffen-SS cut a path of destruction across the Balkans that encompassed a large number of Catholic parishes, churches, and shrines and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Catholics. By the end of the war, al-Husseini’s fanatical soldiers had killed over 90 percent of the Jews in Bosnia.

Back to Catholic Answers then, *sigh*. OK factual errors in the Catholic Answers article:

13th SS Mountain Infantry Division "Handschar" was also known as "1st Croatian" It was not a "Muslim" Division because it contained a large proportion of Catholic Croats and German "volksdeutsche". According to records it reached a paper strength of 21,065 men in 1943 it never attained an operational strength of more than 17,000 men in action in 1944-45. It was the only SS division to mutiny against the Nazi regime and was prone to high rates of desertion from its Muslim soldiers.

The 23rd SS Mountain Division (2nd Croatian) was known as "Kama" although it never reached more than an operational Brigade strength of 2,199 men and was raised from Serbo-Croat Hungarians and forced Bosnian conscripts, most of whom deserted at the first opportunity. The 23rd ended up composed mainly of of Croats, Germans and Hungarian "volksdeutsche". Ultimately it was in such a poor shape it was disbanded to be replaced by the 23rd SS Division called "Nederland"; composed mainly of Dutch Fascist volunteers.

The 21st SS Mountain Division "Skanderbeg" was the only unit known to have taken part in anti-Jewish operations. Another patheticaly small Brigade sizred unit it was composed mainly from Albanians from the Kosovo region. From it's inception the unit was more interested in settling old scores with the local Serbs than fighting a war. An Army Group E report rated the unit's performance as having "absolutely no military value."

There is absolutely no evidence that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem played any part in leading or organising these units other than making propaganda speeches to encourage recruitment, largely a failed effort.

As regards the fate of the Jewish population of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the overwhelming majority were murdered or deported by the Ustase, a Croatian Catholic/Fascist organisation, before any of these three SS units were created.

Oh the Catholic Answers article is based on these sources:

• Dalin, David and John Rothmann, Icon of Evil: Hitler’s Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam (Random House, 2008)
• Elpeleg, Zvi, The Grand Mufti: Haj Amin Al-Hussaini, Founder of the Palestinian National Movement (Frank Cass, 1993)
• Morse, Chuck, The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin al-Husseini (iUniverse, 2003)
• Perlman, Moshe, Mufti of Jerusalem (Pavilion Press, 2006)
• Dalin, David, The Myth of Hitler’s Pope (Regnery, 2005)

Dalin and Rothman, and Morse and Perlemanare not historians, Epeleg tries his best, I'll give him credit, but still fails to produce an objective biography, free of Zionist taint. Perlman, was the first IDF "spokesman" so his work should be treated with caution.

Achmed Challenger: "13th SS Mountain Infantry Division "Handschar" was also known as "1st Croatian" It was not a "Muslim" Division.... Blah blah blah..."

Wow, damn, really? You're even fucking dumber than MonkeyNazi. Did you guys both attend the same Islamic madrasah school perhaps?

The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar was a Muslim combat formation created by the Germans to restore order in Yugoslavia. It was given the title Handschar after a local fighting knife or sword carried by Turkish policemen during the centuries that the region was part of the Ottoman Empire. It was the first non-Germanic Waffen-SS division, and its formation marked the expansion of the Waffen-SS into a multi-ethnic military force. The division was composed mostly of Bosnian Muslims (ethnic Bosniaks).

13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar 1st Croatian - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

King David Hotel?

bzzzz try again. Do you guys have anything but the usual talking points. What will you bring up next? Let me guess, USS Liberty, the Jews started WWI, the Jews did 9-11, the Joooos, the Joooos, the Joooooooos.

So...you've still got nothing....

You must be talking about what exists in that space between your ears.

 

[Roudy]

Let's hear what the mufti himself said:

Amin Al Husseini creates the Hanzar Division of Nazi Muslim Soldiers in Bosnia, which he calls ‘the cream of Islam’. It becomes the largest division of the Third Reich Army (26,000 men) and participates actively in the genocide of Serbian and Jewish populations. ‘Hanzar’ was the name given to the dagger worn by officers under the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Muslim soldiers pledge allegiance to Nazi regime in official statement prepared by Heinrich Himmler, head of SS Nazi troops.

 

[Phoenall]

But according to Monte, the genocidal Nazi Mufti who slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and Christians was a "patriot"? Righto. Ha ha ha.

Of course he is a patriot to Palestinians. Just as Begin, Shamir, Ben Gurion etc. that planned and implemented the mass killing of and eviction of Christians and Muslims from Palestine are considered patriots by the Israelis.

Begin and Shamir didn't plan and implement the mass killing of Christians and Muslims you liar. It was the Muslim Nazi mufti of Palestine that planned and implemented the mass killings of Jews and Chritians, both in the holy land, and over all the region.

King David Hotel?

bzzzz try again. Do you guys have anything but the usual talking points. What will you bring up next? Let me guess, USS Liberty, the Jews started WWI, the Jews did 9-11, the Joooos, the Joooos, the Joooooooos.

From the clown that posts from the Hasbara menu of retorts.

Replied to by the clown that posts islamocatholic Nazi propaganda, and has to manipulate reports to meet with the needs of his team of LYING PROPAGANDISTS

 

[Challenger]

Yes,
He hated the Jews that were invading his country as much as Zionists and their leaders hated the resident Christians and Muslims. The Zionist leaders collaborated with the British to eliminate the Christians and Muslims from Palestine and the Mufti collaborated with the Germans to try to prevent the removal of the Christians and Muslims from Palestine. Nothing unusual.

The Mufti talked on the radio, encouraged Muslims to support Germany and called for the elimination of Jews from Palestine especially. But, in effect, he was not hands on in the killing, as the Zionist leaders like Begin Shamir and other Zionists were.

He hated Jews, he hated Christians, and he worked to kill both of them and he succeeded. While serving in the Ottoman army, he watched the Ottoman Muslims commit genocide on the Armenian Christians and wanted the same for the Jews and Christians of the Middle East. He had whole divisions of Muslim Nazis who ended up slaughtering tens of thousands of Christians and burning churches. He made personal visits to Arab nations and convinced they do to the Jews what the Nazis were doing to them in Europe. You are pathetic with no morals or ethics. Just a mentally ill Jew hater.

He had nothing to do with the Armenian genocide. As your own link states, he heard about. He led no divisions of Muslims in Europe. The Muslim, mostly Bosnians, were undr German command and attacked when the Germans said to attack. And they certainly did not attack the Germans, Croats, Hungarians and others that were Christians.

You do not seem to be able to get it through your thick skull that the Mufti knew what the Zionists and the British were planning to do with the Palestinians. Do you think he should have sat by and done nothing? Of course he would try to gather as much support to try to regain the land taken from his people. As a neutral, it is easy to see the dynamic, you are so partisan for one side you can't think straight. Combine that with your limited intelligence and you appear to be a complete maniac.

Of course he did, he organized and led the Muslim Nazis who went around killing Christians and burning churches. Get your head out of your Mohammad, MonkeyNazi:

Hitler s Mufti Catholic Answers

To assist the practical slaughter of Jews and Christians, al-Husseini built an army of Muslim volunteer units for the Waffen-SS (the combat units of the dread SS) to operate for the Nazi cause in the Balkans. While the appeal for volunteers from among Muslims always struggled to meet the demands for new recruits, al-Husseini was able to organize three divisions of Bosnian Muslims who were then trained as elements of the Waffen-SS. The largest radical Muslim unit was the 13th Waffen-SS Handzar ("Dagger") division that boasted over 21,000 men. They were joined by the Bosnian 23rd Waffen-SS Kama Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen-SS Division. The Muslim Waffen-SSforces fought across the Balkans against Communist partisans and then assisted in the genocide of Yugoslavian Jews and in the persecution and slaughter of Gypsies and Christian Serbs in 1944 and 1945. The brutality extended to Catholics as well, for the Muslim Waffen-SS cut a path of destruction across the Balkans that encompassed a large number of Catholic parishes, churches, and shrines and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Catholics. By the end of the war, al-Husseini’s fanatical soldiers had killed over 90 percent of the Jews in Bosnia.

Back to Catholic Answers then, *sigh*. OK factual errors in the Catholic Answers article:

13th SS Mountain Infantry Division "Handschar" was also known as "1st Croatian" It was not a "Muslim" Division because it contained a large proportion of Catholic Croats and German "volksdeutsche". According to records it reached a paper strength of 21,065 men in 1943 it never attained an operational strength of more than 17,000 men in action in 1944-45. It was the only SS division to mutiny against the Nazi regime and was prone to high rates of desertion from its Muslim soldiers.

The 23rd SS Mountain Division (2nd Croatian) was known as "Kama" although it never reached more than an operational Brigade strength of 2,199 men and was raised from Serbo-Croat Hungarians and forced Bosnian conscripts, most of whom deserted at the first opportunity. The 23rd ended up composed mainly of of Croats, Germans and Hungarian "volksdeutsche". Ultimately it was in such a poor shape it was disbanded to be replaced by the 23rd SS Division called "Nederland"; composed mainly of Dutch Fascist volunteers.

The 21st SS Mountain Division "Skanderbeg" was the only unit known to have taken part in anti-Jewish operations. Another patheticaly small Brigade sizred unit it was composed mainly from Albanians from the Kosovo region. From it's inception the unit was more interested in settling old scores with the local Serbs than fighting a war. An Army Group E report rated the unit's performance as having "absolutely no military value."

There is absolutely no evidence that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem played any part in leading or organising these units other than making propaganda speeches to encourage recruitment, largely a failed effort.

As regards the fate of the Jewish population of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the overwhelming majority were murdered or deported by the Ustase, a Croatian Catholic/Fascist organisation, before any of these three SS units were created.

Oh the Catholic Answers article is based on these sources:

• Dalin, David and John Rothmann, Icon of Evil: Hitler’s Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam (Random House, 2008)
• Elpeleg, Zvi, The Grand Mufti: Haj Amin Al-Hussaini, Founder of the Palestinian National Movement (Frank Cass, 1993)
• Morse, Chuck, The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin al-Husseini (iUniverse, 2003)
• Perlman, Moshe, Mufti of Jerusalem (Pavilion Press, 2006)
• Dalin, David, The Myth of Hitler’s Pope (Regnery, 2005)

Dalin and Rothman, and Morse and Perlemanare not historians, Epeleg tries his best, I'll give him credit, but still fails to produce an objective biography, free of Zionist taint. Perlman, was the first IDF "spokesman" so his work should be treated with caution.

Achmed Challenger: "13th SS Mountain Infantry Division "Handschar" was also known as "1st Croatian" It was not a "Muslim" Division.... Blah blah blah..."

Wow, damn, really? You're even fucking dumber than MonkeyNazi. Did you guys both attend the same Islamic madrasah school perhaps?

The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar was a Muslim combat formation created by the Germans to restore order in Yugoslavia. It was given the title Handschar after a local fighting knife or sword carried by Turkish policemen during the centuries that the region was part of the Ottoman Empire. It was the first non-Germanic Waffen-SS division, and its formation marked the expansion of the Waffen-SS into a multi-ethnic military force. The division was composed mostly of Bosnian Muslims (ethnic Bosniaks).

13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar 1st Croatian - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I explained why it was not a "Muslim" division as I'd previously stated, roughly 40% of the manpower was not Muslim, this fact is even borne out in your link. The impression your Catholic Answers article gives is one of "ravening Muslim hordes decimating the poor Christian a Jewish population of the Balkans" this is a gross misrepresentation of the facts and totally ignores the fact that Tito's Partizans were committing similar atrocities against Bosniaks and Croats, it also totally ignores the fact that most of the Bosniak Muslims were forceably conscripted, deserted at the first opportunity and were the only SS troops ever to mutiny against the Nazis.

Did they comit atrocities? Yes, but so did everyone else in the Balkans between 1941-1945 on all sides, including Jewish Partizans. German Antiguerrilla Operations in the Balkans 1941-1944
the war in the Balkans was as nasty in the 1941-45 period as it was in 1991 onwards when Yugoslavia disintegrated.