Importance of Collective Bargaining

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    Can someone explain to me why collective bargaining is so important for Governor Walker to get rid of. And if the Union is caving to the higher pension and healthcare costs why is collective bargaining important to them if they have to give up money anyway. The news has been throwing the word around all week but no one delves in to the specifics of what occurs in collective bargaining. If someone could tell me the pros and cons Id appreciate it.
     
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    Get rid of collective bargaining and what have you really done?

    You have denied the workers the right of FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION.

    Basically outlawing unions is about equivalent to proposing that we also outlaw CORPORATIONS.

    After all, corporations (union or otherwise) require that people have the FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION to exist, too.

    Why did authoritarians like Hitler Mussolini SO HATE unions?

    Gee...I think you can probably connect THOSE dots on your own, right?
     
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    The collective bargaining has nothing to do with balancing the budget. It has no costs associated with it. The State has to AGREE with the union and sign a contract. It is mutual consent between two parties. If the state does not like the deal, they should not sign it

    What the Governor wants is to force the State workers to negotiate with one hand tied behind their backs. The State wants to enforce "my way or the highway" demands on workers. It is easier to do when you have to deal with them one on one
     
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    The lie the DemonRats keep telling is that Walker wants to "get rid of collective bargaining" when in fact he wants to limit collective bargaining to salary only. The benefits will be removed from collective bargaining. Why? Cause that's what broke the bank.
     
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    If the state can't come to an agreement what they should have is the freedom to is get it's workers from other sources. Someone needs to be at the table for the "taxpayer."


    Did you ever ask yourself why GM built an 800 million dollar plant in Mexico??? didyahuh? And that was after we bailed their asses out?? Ponder that.
     
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    Collective bargaining rights means the right to strike. If the whole work force strikes, the issue is resolved by negotiating (bargaining) with the collection of workers.

    Does anyone believe that workers should not have the right to protest working conditions or salary? Is it the Conservative position that workers should have no voice in their situations?
     
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    So if you don't join a union, you give up your right to walk away from a job, or complain about working conditions?

    Public unions are about to die, and it can't come fast enough.
     
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    $1 an hour wages
     
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    Bureaucrats shouldn't....Even FDR recognized this.
     
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    No, you still have a right to walk away from a job. If you don't belong to a union, you have no right to change the conditions to something a little more fair.

    Conservatives want to eliminate the right to fairness in the workplace. And once again we see how Conservatives work hard to erode rights while they sit complacently when it comes to advocating rights. Why would any American opt for authoritarianism?
     

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