Immigration and capitalism go hand in hand

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    They are part of the same movement, and dependent on each other.

    Capital depends on an ever increasing supply of low wage, willing labor. Immigrants fit this bill nicely, since they come from poor countries and are willing to accept any work.

    Without this, the supply of labor would dry up, population would stop growing, and costs would increase, which would diminish profit and make business fail. Production and consumption would decline, asset prices would fall, and the economy would enter permanent recession.


    You can't have it both ways, America. If you want to remain capitalist, you must accept immigrants.
     
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    We are full. Close the door. Seating capacity has been reached.
     
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    Labor mobility is key to an actual free market. If not, we get bureaucrats making trade deals ignoring environmental and labor laws and killing our chance at competition.
    Butt fuck labor mobility. I believe in Nations.
     
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    Lt Gov Patrick of Tx acknowledged the issue that party (Dems want future voters and Pubs want cheap labor) is the problem.
     
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    OK, we accept immigrants. Illegal aliens, no. They aren't immigrants and can't be abused for capitalism like neo slaves for the sake of profit. Do you understand America at all?
     
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    From 1925 to 1965, there was almost ZERO immigration into the US, and from the late 1940s to the mid 1960s - before the democratic scum passed the 1965 Immigration act allowing a flood of illegals into the US, was considered the heyday of the american worker. Learn your history, boy.
     
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    Nations or feudal bondage? Feudal bondage to your count whose land borders you shall never utter to cross. But even if you do, the neighboring count will return you to your original village for not buying his visa.
     
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    True. But what kind of immigrants and how many? I suggest that accepting an unlimited number of un-vetted Muslims to live among us is not only unwise -- it is virtually suicidal.

    America is a fundamentally Christian nation. Over time we have learned that Jews are a compatible and beneficial addition to the evolving American culture. But we recently have seen that with few exceptions Muslims are demonstratedly incompatible with the American Judeo/Christian culture and their presence must be held to an absolute minimum -- and closely observed.
     
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    Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

    This is what us liberals were saying back in 2006. Were we lying?

    The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America. Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are some jobs Americans won't do." It's a lie.

    Funny, back then it was a fence and now with Trump it's a wall. LOL
     
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    Americans will do virtually any job if they're paid a decent wage. This isn't about immigration - it's about economics. Industry and agriculture won't collapse without illegal labor, but the middle class is being crushed by it.

    Working Americans have always known this simple equation: More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

    Unions created the middle class many ways but one was by supporting laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the labor pool.

    As Wikipedia notes: "The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers."
     

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