Im opening a HUGE can of worms here......

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    I will admit that I am no where as politically active as DK or many of you here on the board is, however I do have my beliefs that I am passionate regarding.

    I hate labels - of any sort.....Im just 'weird' like that LOL.

    Here is my question for those of you who would answer it......If I could have my preference, I would really love to have the replies of the following people included:
    Jim, RightWing Avenger, Sir Evil, Moi, MtnBiker, WonderWench, Crazy Liberal, as well as anyone else who cares to reply. (DK, I didnt include you because I already KNOW you'll answer - god knows that we debate enough about this LOL :::grin:::)

    How would you classify me?

    For years I was registered as a republican - now Im not
    I am not against gay marriage.
    I am not against abortion, although I think that complete pro choice is taken to an extreme and I DESPISE those who would use prochoice as an excuse or means of birth control-thats sick.
    I cannot get behind the patriot act - I just cant
    I hate war - of any sort.
    Im a hypocrite: meaning, I dont feel that anyone has the right to play god and decide who lives and dies (capitol punishment)....however, if someone hurt my kids or my husband, Id rip them apart and love every minute of it.
    Im an environmentalist.
    Im metaphysical, deeply spiritual, but not religious at all.
    I feel that the biggest problem (or at least one of the largest) is a complete and total lack of moral fiber in this country.
    I feel that people do not take enough personal responsibility.
    I feel that if youre not PROactive then youre REactive - no exceptions...and if youre NOT PROactive, then youre part of the problem.
    I feel that anyone that goes to extremes (Im speaking of beliefs) is wrong - whether youre considered a 'fucking hippy liberal' or a 'rotten ass neo-con'....the problem is the lack of balance and tolerance.
    I feel that technology outweighs the spiritual nature thereby throwing off the balance completely.
    I hate guns - but again, if anyone touched my children, Id pistol whip the shit out of them and then start shooting - at first not to kill, but to maim and cause pain, leaving the rotten bastard (or bitch) to bleed out and die in agony. (damn I am SUCH a hypocrite)

    There is alot more obviously, but in a nutshell - thats me.

    I know that I may be opening Pandora's Box here, but Im truly curious to the answers that I may get from those on the board.

    :)

    Peace (unless you piss me off), LMAO!!!!!!

    ~Lanyce
     
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    I wont be responding immediately to these because I have a full day.....so please dont think Im dismissing your opinion by not acknowledging your reply - Im probably not home


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    someone that I wouldnt mind having as a neighbor...but I think on Sept 7th the other neighbors may get a little ticked off.
     
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    You and I are not so far off.

    I'm pro choice, though I do believe it is killing a baby. I'm pro gun and pro war, when it's necessary. I'm also pro capital punishment. At least you are honest enough to admit that when it comes to your family, you would use violence to defend them. Why doesn't that inform your stance on the national policy?


    As for gay marriage, I'd prefer a civil union, but this is one we're just not going to win. If caving on this lexical issue means we could get more "independants" to vote to defend the civilized world, I'm all for it.

    To my thinking, the dem party has never done anything to encourage the individual responsibility you promote. They're all about handouts and excuses. What do you think about that?

    You seem pretty sensible kl, you've probably fallen into the trap of accepting that all conservatives are horrible and that you, therefore, must not be one. WHo want to be a horrible conservative? Also it's constantly put forth that the liberals view is the defacto "intellectual" view. The smartest people I know are staunch conservatives. The liberals are above average intelligence, hence they are allured to the closed logical simplicity and seeming "fairness" of the socialist model, however that's where they stop. They refuse to analyze the impact on individual rights and economics that their socialist utopian visions ignore.

    I can't remember the quote from your post but it was something like "all extremists are wrong." I know I didn't quote it exactly right. Do you see the extremism and reactionaryism of making that statement?

    Your neat categorization of people into proactive and reactive is a bit simplistic and wonky. Once again you're making categories, and assigning moral values to the categories. Someday you'll put us all in the correct category and judge us accordingly I suppose. You claim to be against this sort of thing. But you're doing it.

    Conservatives do not exalt the grey area of moral ambivalence that liberals feel gives them superiority over everyone else. What upsets liberals is the convictions of others.


    Please take this in the spirit of discovery in which it is intended. I'm anxious to hear about myself as well.
     
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    Sept 7th? an explanation would be helpful :D
     
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    is that not your B-d?
     
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    yup, i got it now ;)
     
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    It seems you have beliefs that support both conservative and liberal ideals, however lean more to the right. But I would not classify you the same as I have not classified DK.

    You do not like guns, but do you support the idea of the 2nd amendment and private ownership of guns?

    There are alot of conservative people who cannot get behind the patriot act.

    Should the government be in a postion where by it decides how wealth should be redistrubuted?
     
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    If I had to label you, I'd label you true. No matter what others think, we all have to be true to ourselves. No one has the right or should trample on you for your beliefs. The way you express them is fair game, in my book, but the fact that you have personal beliefs about certain things just means you are human first, american second and yourself above all.

    For the record...


    For years I was registered as a republican - now Im not

    I am not registered anything- I vote according to whom I think will do the best job.

    I am not against gay marriage.

    I am against gay marriage for the simple reason that it legitimizes something I do not believe should be. And not for religious reasons.

    I am not against abortion, although I think that complete pro choice is taken to an extreme and I DESPISE those who would use prochoice as an excuse or means of birth control-thats sick.

    I am neither for nor against abortion. Killing is sometimes convenient and necessary so I can't oppose it on those grounds. However, I can't see that there is a constitutional protection for it- it isn't there. And I can't condone one single dollar of government money paying for it.

    I cannot get behind the patriot act - I just cant

    I can. I do not believe that it is any more infringing than the laws we already have which grant authority for search and seizure. Anything, if handled incorrectly, can lead to corruption. The fact is that the most trouble government and officials get into is by not following laws, not following bad ones.


    I hate war - of any sort.

    I can both revile it and understand and accept its necessity.


    Im a hypocrite: meaning, I dont feel that anyone has the right to play god and decide who lives and dies (capitol punishment)

    I believe that criminals should be removed from society, permanently.

    ....however, if someone hurt my kids or my husband, Id rip them apart and love every minute of it.

    I would have no problem killing someone who even attempted to hurt my son.

    Im an environmentalist.

    Me too.

    Im metaphysical, deeply spiritual, but not religious at all.

    I believe in the greater good but not god.

    I feel that the biggest problem (or at least one of the largest) is a complete and total lack of moral fiber in this country.

    Hell yeah.

    I feel that people do not take enough personal responsibility.

    Hell yeah.

    I feel that if youre not PROactive then youre REactive - no exceptions...and if youre NOT PROactive, then youre part of the problem.

    I hate guns - but again, if anyone touched my children, Id pistol whip the shit out of them and then start shooting - at first not to kill, but to maim and cause pain, leaving the rotten bastard (or bitch) to bleed out and die in agony. (damn I am SUCH a hypocrite)

    I love guns. They are cool. Having said that, I think that those who own them bear the responsibility to make sure they are used properly.
     
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    Even with her stern rebuke of those who are "reactive"?



    I am offended. I am reactive. I react to things. Especially terrorists.
     

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