Illinois pledge is not Constitutional

[lennypartiv]

There is nothing in the Constitution allowing states to force candidates to make such a pledge. Trump is right to force the issue. This would be a slam dunk win in court for Trump if it ever gets there.

---The WBEZ/Chicago Sun-Times reported Saturday that Trump did not voluntarily sign the loyalty oath---

Donald Trump didn't sign Illinois loyalty oath that pledges he won't advocate overthrow of government

Joe Biden’s campaign knocked Donald Trump for refusing to sign an Illinois loyalty oath that says he won’t advocate to overthrow the government.

www.usatoday.com

 

[rampart]

it seems like a trap. if trump promises not to order another overthrow of the government even his domestic terrorists will desert hum.

more to the pount. the states have a constitutional duty to run the elections. they routinely exclude numerous candidates from several parties on various grounds.

a supreme court decision centralizing elections might not be as popular among conservatives either.

 

[cnm]

Illinois pledge is not Constitutional​

What difference would that make?

 

[lennypartiv]

What difference would that make?

It makes a difference if they take his name off the ballot for not signing it.

 

[Augustine_]

There is nothing in the Constitution allowing states to force candidates to make such a pledge. Trump is right to force the issue. This would be a slam dunk win in court for Trump if it ever gets there.

---The WBEZ/Chicago Sun-Times reported Saturday that Trump did not voluntarily sign the loyalty oath---

Donald Trump didn't sign Illinois loyalty oath that pledges he won't advocate overthrow of government

Joe Biden’s campaign knocked Donald Trump for refusing to sign an Illinois loyalty oath that says he won’t advocate to overthrow the government.

www.usatoday.com

Why would a man with no loyalty to anything sign a loyalty pledge?

 

[lennypartiv]

Why would a man with no loyalty to anything sign a loyalty pledge?

He's not going to sign a pledge to appease Democrats.

 

[justoffal]

it seems like a trap. if trump promises not to order another overthrow of the government even his domestic terrorists will desert hum.

more to the pount. the states have a constitutional duty to run the elections. they routinely exclude numerous candidates from several parties on various grounds.

a supreme court decision centralizing elections might not be as popular among conservatives either.

If they don't make some general decision the elections will change drastically and rampantly. I'm not a big fan of SCOTUS stepping into state's business. At some point however a line will have to be drawn between state and federal purviews. I understand that Lincoln was excluded from 10 States during his own election which he obviously won. I wonder if the supreme Court got involved then?

 

[rampart]

If they don't make some general decision the elections will change drastically and rampantly. I'm not a big fan of SCOTUS stepping into state's business. At some point however a line will have to be drawn between state and federal purviews. I understand that Lincoln was excluded from 10 States during his own election which he obviously won. I wonder if the supreme Court got involved then?

i'm very fond of my own disfunctional state, but the states are artifacts of slower travel and communications. merely an added layer of taxation and regulation.

 

[justoffal]

i'm very fond of my own disfunctional state, but the states are artifacts of slower travel and communications. merely an added layer of taxation and regulation.

Yes the pressure is on....to erase state boundaries, eliminate the electoral college and tear down the governor's mansions....not sure if it would actually work though.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There is nothing in the Constitution allowing states to force candidates to make such a pledge. Trump is right to force the issue. This would be a slam dunk win in court for Trump if it ever gets there.

---The WBEZ/Chicago Sun-Times reported Saturday that Trump did not voluntarily sign the loyalty oath---

Donald Trump didn't sign Illinois loyalty oath that pledges he won't advocate overthrow of government

Joe Biden’s campaign knocked Donald Trump for refusing to sign an Illinois loyalty oath that says he won’t advocate to overthrow the government.

www.usatoday.com

Why would any potential POTUS not want to make such an agreement?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

He's not going to sign a pledge to appease Democrats.

Why did he sign it the last two elections?

 

[rampart]

Yes the pressure is on....to erase state boundaries, eliminate the electoral college and tear down the governor's mansions....not sure if it would actually work though.

ik am in no rush. most of the changes i might prefer, parliamentary system and such, will be imposed by the victors of a world war, fought , i hope, long after our death.

what will kill our system is not "freedom" vs "tyranny": but efficiency vs inefficiency. plus

as americans depend less upon government and the safety net disassembled, there will be less for we commoners to fight for.

 

[sparky]

attest that they “do not directly or indirectly teach or advocate the overthrow of the government of the United States or of this state or any unlawful change in the form of the governments thereof by force or any unlawful means.”

We been loosing our freedoms as the federal government has grown all along

Congress continually chips away at amendments , New letter departments are created towards a police state, our media is censored, the list goes on.....

~S~

 

[lennypartiv]

Why did he sign it the last two elections?

He signed it before he realized elections could be stolen.

 

[BackAgain]

There is nothing in the Constitution allowing states to force candidates to make such a pledge. Trump is right to force the issue. This would be a slam dunk win in court for Trump if it ever gets there.

---The WBEZ/Chicago Sun-Times reported
Saturday that Trump did not voluntarily sign the loyalty oath---

Donald Trump didn't sign Illinois loyalty oath that pledges he won't advocate overthrow of government

Joe Biden’s campaign knocked Donald Trump for refusing to sign an Illinois loyalty oath that says he won’t advocate to overthrow the government.

www.usatoday.com

The proposed pledge is also stupid and anti American. It fails to contemplate a wide array of scenarios where supporting a possibly corrupted government would amount to treason.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

He signed it before he realized elections could be stolen.

so, now that he realizes such, he will not sign it since he plans on doing the stealing?

 

[cnm]

It makes a difference if they take his name off the ballot for not signing it.

But being Constitutional or not has made no difference to Trump's behaviour that I've seen. What difference do you think it would make?

 

[cnm]

i'm very fond of my own disfunctional state, but the states are artifacts of slower travel and communications. merely an added layer of taxation and regulation.

That's certainly what they look like from outside. Layers of repression, too.

 

[rampart]

Why would any potential POTUS not want to make such an agreement?

i could not vote for someone who disrespects the results of an election.