Illinois law allowing non-citizen police may violate 14th Amendment

[DudleySmith]

Not your call to decide.

That's right, there are those big articles in all the papers telling us it's yours.

 

[pknopp]

That's right, there are those big articles in all the papers telling us it's yours.

I'm not pretending it is.

 

[johnwk]

Go for it. Raise taxes to pay for these courts.

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers have authority by our law to screen people for expedited removal,.

Having said that, let us get back to the subject of the thread which is about the Illinois law not being in harmony with the Fourteenth Amendment's command which forbids state action, that abridges its citizens' privileges.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

 

[pknopp]

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers have authority by our law to screen people for expedited removal,.

They still have to get representation and due process.

Having said that, let us get back to the subject of the thread which is about the Illinois law not being in harmony with the Fourteenth Amendment's command which forbids state action, that abridges its citizens' privileges.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

Saying it isn't is simply your opinion.

 

[Unkotare]

Well, part of that problem is all the fake 'refugees' deliberately swamping the legal system and idiots enabling that abuse have pretty much discredited all such laws.

You should learn what terms mean before you try using them.

 

[johnwk]

You should

. . . get back to the subject of the thread which is about the Illinois law not being in harmony with the Fourteenth Amendment's command which forbids state action, that abridges its citizens' privileges.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Based on many of the posts here coming from the left, you can see why I always say on these boards that Dimocrats and the left have no respect whatsoever for 'citizenship'.

 

[Unkotare]

. . . get back to the subject of the thread which is about the Illinois law not being in harmony with the Fourteenth Amendment's command which forbids state action, that abridges its citizens' privileges.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

You might as well try to apply that empty legal argument to H1B visas. You'd get the same result.

 

[johnwk]

You might as well try to apply that empty legal argument to H1B visas. You'd get the same result.

And before blowing your uniformed hot air and being a naysayer, perhaps you ought to take some time and educate yourself, maybe by studying Foley v Connelie, 435 U.S. 291 (1978), upholding a District Court's ruling, which approved New York’s law barring the appointment of aliens to its state police force.

JWK

“In short, it would be as anomalous to conclude that citizens may be subjected to the broad discretionary powers of noncitizen police officers as it would be to say that judicial officers and jurors with power to judge citizens can be aliens.”___ Foley v. Connelie, 435 U.S. 291 (1978)

 

[Burgermeister]

 

[Unkotare]

And before blowing your uniformed hot air and being a naysayer, perhaps you ought to take some time and educate yourself, maybe by studying Foley v Connelie, 435 U.S. 291 (1978), upholding a District Court's ruling, which approved New York’s law barring the appointment of aliens to its state police force.

JWK

“In short, it would be as anomalous to conclude that citizens may be subjected to the broad discretionary powers of noncitizen police officers as it would be to say that judicial officers and jurors with power to judge citizens can be aliens.”___ Foley v. Connelie, 435 U.S. 291 (1978)

What state?

 

[SamInAZ]

That's a bit of a reach. Allowing immigrants to be police doesn't exclude citizens from being police.

*Non-citizens*....we aren't talking about immigrants.

 

[johnwk]

What state?

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[johnwk]

*Non-citizens*....we aren't talking about immigrants.

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Foley v Connelie, mentioned above in the thread, already lays out the argument that employment by a state as a police officer falls within the category of a privileged type of State employment. The only remaining question is, does extending that privileged type of state employment to non-citizens, abridge a federally protected privilege of Citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment (“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”) who are actively pursuing that type of employment?

It seems to be a self-evident fact that, for every non-citizen hired by the State of Illinois as a police officer, there is one less employment opportunity for the citizens of Illinois to be hired as a police officer, thereby creating an abridgment of a state created privileged occupation for Illinois’ citizens.

JWK
“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

 

[Quasar44]

Illinois is as corrupt as New York
The state has been totally destroyed for decades and it seems to only get worse

 

[Dadoalex]

Well reasoned post and a lot of words but what specifically in all that would prohibit non citizens from being in a state police force?

They ain't White.

Nothing in the US constitution or, any State constitution that I am are of, would prohibit a green card holder from becoming a LEO.

Assuming, of course, the immigrant has sufficient language skills which, among many of the officers I know, aren't that great to begin with.

 

[Dadoalex]

According to you but not according to Executive Order 10450--Security requirements for Government employment:

"WHEREAS the interests of the national security require that all persons privileged to be employed in the departments and agencies of the Government, shall be reliable, trustworthy, of good conduct and character, and of complete and unswerving loyalty to the United States; and

WHEREAS the American tradition that all persons should receive fair, impartial, and equitable treatment at the hands of the Government requires that all persons seeking the privilege of employment or privileged to be employed in the departments and agencies of the Government be adjudged by mutually consistent and no less than minimum standards and procedures among the departments and agencies governing the employment and retention in employment of persons in the Federal service . . . "

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - ___ Justice Story

So, rather than a government job being a privilege you think it is a right?

How very Socialist of you.

 

[Dadoalex]

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Foley v Connelie, mentioned above in the thread, already lays out the argument that employment by a state as a police officer falls within the category of a privileged type of State employment. The only remaining question is, does extending that privileged type of state employment to non-citizens, abridge a federally protected privilege of Citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment (“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”) who are actively pursuing that type of employment?

It seems to be a self-evident fact that, for every non-citizen hired by the State of Illinois as a police officer, there is one less employment opportunity for the citizens of Illinois to be hired as a police officer, thereby creating an abridgment of a state created privileged occupation for Illinois’ citizens.

JWK
“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

Sweet Jeebers...

I know a Sheriff in Florida and a couple of police chiefs.

They will tell you the availability of jobs in law enforcement is not an issue.
They've got openings by the boatload.
What they don't have is people willing to get shot at, beat up, and deal with what police deal with every day for the paltry wages new officers receive.

This red herring of yours is silly on its face and every other exposed part

 

[johnwk]

So, rather than a government job being a privilege you think it is a right?

How very Socialist of you.

So, now you profess to be a mind reader, and simply make up crap, just like the rest of our domestic enemies and hate America crowd does.

Foley v Connelie, mentioned above in the thread, already lays out the argument that employment by a state as a police officer falls within the category of a privileged type of State employment. The only remaining question is, does extending that privileged type of state employment to non-citizens, abridge a federally protected privilege of Citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment (“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”) who are actively pursuing that type of employment?

It seems to be a self-evident fact that, for every non-citizen hired by the State of Illinois as a police officer, there is one less employment opportunity for the citizens of Illinois to be hired as a police officer, thereby creating an abridgment of a state created privileged occupation for Illinois’ citizens.

JWK
“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

 

[Dadoalex]

So, now you profess to be a mind reader, and simply make up crap, just like the rest of our domestic enemies and hate America crowd does.

Foley v Connelie, mentioned above in the thread, already lays out the argument that employment by a state as a police officer falls within the category of a privileged type of State employment. The only remaining question is, does extending that privileged type of state employment to non-citizens, abridge a federally protected privilege of Citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment (“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”) who are actively pursuing that type of employment?

It seems to be a self-evident fact that, for every non-citizen hired by the State of Illinois as a police officer, there is one less employment opportunity for the citizens of Illinois to be hired as a police officer, thereby creating an abridgment of a state created privileged occupation for Illinois’ citizens.

JWK
“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." ___ Justice Story

Not only are you a communist but your language skills are almost 4th grade level.

"Privilege" in the case of a LEO is not that they're "privileged" to get a job but that the job carries certain "privileges" such as arrest authority, more liberal use of weapons, more liberal assault rules...

That you don't understand the differences in the word "privilege" as used in referring to the role of LE and privilege as in a "gift" of sorts may I suggest you return to school and learn the meaning of the words you use badly.