ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - The Next Big National Debate

Discussion in 'Immigration/Illegal Immigration' started by Foxfyre, Apr 28, 2010.

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What needs to happen in a new illegal immigration policy? (Multiple Choice)

  1. Take care of those who come here.

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  2. Allow all to come but take away eligibility for services and benefits.

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  3. Provide amnestry to most or all already here and then secure the borders.

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  4. Deport all identified illegals immediately.

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  5. Deport only those illegals who break other laws.

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  6. Prosecute any employers who hire illegals.

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  7. Prosecute any who aid and abet illegals entering the country.

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  8. Do nothing. Illegal immigration is not a problem.

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  9. Other (I'll explain in one or more posts.)

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  1. Foxfyre
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    According to Fox, CNN, and MSNBC this morning, along with Cap and Trade, the next big emphasis of the Obama Administration and Congress will be to deal with illegal immigration. The scuttlebutt seems to be that the President and several in Congress favor some sort of amnesty for those already in the country illegally. Opponents point to strong evidence that amnesty failed under Carter and Reagan and strongly oppose any form of amnesty now.

    And of course there is a raging controversy underway re Arizona's new stronger enforcement policy related to this issue.

    But the questions are pertinent:

    What, if anything, should we do to stop people from entering the United States illegally?

    What, if anything, should we do about those who are already here?

    What, if anything, should be required of those who make it possible for illegals to be here?

    What, if any, penalties or consequences should be imposed on those who:
    a) come here illegally?
    b) give comfort and/or emergency services to those who are here illegally?
    c) give jobs to those who are here illegally?

    Should people living in the United States illegally be provided the education benefits, health care, social security, workers compensation benefits, low income assistance, etc. that is available to U.S. citizens?

    I'm hoping for some pertinent observations and concrete suggestions for how best to deal with this problem if you believe it is a problem. If you do not see a problem, please explain why you think none exists.

    Please keep it civil.
     
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    If profit (in some shape or form) isn't generated by the plan it will fail.
     
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    There are a number of areas of profit that I see though.

    1. The profit to the illegals themselves who come here to work or engage in illegal activity.

    2. The profit to the employers who want the cheap labor.

    3. The profit to politicians who want the votes generated if they can legalize the illegals and/or those who want the illegals legalized.

    4. The profit to the citizen at large when the illegals are removed from the equation.
     
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    Deport all identified illegals immediately.
    Prosecute any employers who hire illegals.


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    Enable state and local law enforcement to more easily assist the border patrol and other fed agencies in identifying and detaining any illegal they find in the course of normal law enforcement activities... so that they may be deported

    Take monies away from federal entitlement programs to provide barriers and systems to better secure our borders
     
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    First off:

    Illegal Immigration is Illegal for a Reason..

    Immigration Reform? Yes, we need that, I've heard stories on how bad those places are where they keep them, Let them at least call their Families and make the Facilities more Human...

    In my opinion..

    If we want to reduce the number of illegals coming each year we should make the Path to Citizenship faster and Easier, enough with all this Bureaucracy.. And Increase the numbers of Visas given to People who want to work here Legally.

    Third: It's not fair if we give them Amnesty, people wait Years even Decades for a Citizenship..
     
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    This is another sticky wicket.

    The courts have already ruled that basic public services cannot be denied illegals, so if they are allowed to be here, they are entitled to free healthcare, food stamps, public education, etc. etc. etc. like anybody else.

    What politician do you think would stick his neck out far enough to propose a law taking such basic services away from illegals? (I agree that the law should not provide people benefits when they are breaking the law being here, but I also know what a political hot potato that would be.)

    And then, as a people are are humane and compassionate, would you oppose folks like the Salvation Army or other charitable organizations providing food, clothing, basic necessities to people no questions asked as they do now?
     
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    I am all for a guest worker program that includes the following:

    1. The work must first be offered to people already in the country legally.

    2. The work must be offered for a specific job - the employer should report to authorities the names and ID numers for those put to work.

    3. When the job is ended, if the worker doesn't have another job lined up, the workers go home. The employer should be responsible to be sure the workers have transportation home and he should also be responsible to be sure they have adequate house and access for food, emergency medical care, etc. when they are here.

    The previous plans suggested for a guest worker program did not require the people to go home immediately when the job was over and specified a number (600,000?) of work permits that would be issued. I think that's dumb. We need however many workers we need and those that come should have a job to come to and should go home when the job is done. And they shouldn't be bringing all their relatives in with them when they come.
     
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    I'd like a solution so the Dems would have to resort to something else to throw the race-card.
     
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    Other:

    1) End the idiotic "war" on (some) drugs.
    2) End the socialistic welfare state, up to and including "free" gubmint schools.
    3) Immediately deport any and every illegal who has committed a crime.
    4) Limited amnesty: A 90-day window to apply for and get your green cards or go home.
    5) After that, enforcement of the border shouldn't be that big of a problem that detachments of National Guard troops of the affected states couldn't handle it.
    6) Abolish ICE as the utter and total incompetent failure that they are.

    Then, anyone who comes to America will have to pull their own load for the services they receive.
     
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