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So being a miner, fireman or soldier is a dirty job? I.was.thinking along the lines of unskilled.manual labor - agricultural harvesting, ditch digging, house cleaning, etcYou're right, I don't understand the argument because I never thought illegals were.takng away mining, civil.service and military positions. I figured illegals were taking manual labor jobs.
Then I'll explain the argument. The argument is a counter to those that say Americans won't do the tough, dangerous, and dirtiest jobs. Fact is. that is exactly what they do, as shown in the pictures. Understand now ?
Can you focus?! Now you're thumping your chest over phantom claims that those in the military didn't do heavy lifting. You are taking things way too personal. Your anger has unnerved you sir.As a combat construction specialist in the Army, I did the heaviest lifting there is in America. I don't remember what the pay was, but it was probably less than minimum wage."competitive wage" - As defined by what an illegal will accept.
I usually pay $50.00 for heavy lifting an hour and all those legals come running.
Whoa! You wouldn't consider coal mining, firefighting, and soldiering in war, truly dirty and nasty ? Are you feeling OK ? They are THE nastiest, dirtiest ,and most dangerous jobs in America.So being a miner, fireman or soldier is a dirty job? I.was.thinking along the lines of unskilled.manual labor - agricultural harvesting, ditch digging, house cleaning, etc
I think lots of Americans refuse truly dirty and nasty jobs all the time but I would never.consider the jobs you listed as being part of the list.
What the hell are you talking about ? I didn't say "those in the military didn't do heavy lifting". Where in hell did THAT come from ? Answer: it came from you.Can you focus?! Now you're thumping your chest over phantom claims that those in the military didn't do heavy lifting. You are taking things way too personal. Your anger has unnerved you sir.
Just making a better life....BUT WE PAY FOR IT!!!!
They aren't doing anything you wouldn't do if America only paid you $4 a day but Canadian companies would pay you $20.Some time ago, I heard Hillary Clinton say (in referring to illegal aliens) that "they're just trying to make a better life for themselves." Nothing new there. We hear illegal alien ass-kissers say that all the time. They also try to put protectionists on the defensive by saying >> ("If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you do the same thing ?")
Well, fact is, I AM kind of in their shoes. Right now, I don't have enough money to pay all my bills. I have fallen behind in them, and my car is starting to make troublesome noises. So I have a choice. I can tough it out and try my best to come up with some extra money, or I can do what the illegal aliens do. I can disrespect the laws of the USA and the states within it, and I could commit illegal acts to try to get the money. I could burglarize houses. I could sell illegal drugs. I could mug people on the street. Steal cars, etc.
But I choose not to do those things. NO, I would NOT do the same thing. And the illegal aliens ? They DO choose the criminal path. They KNOW their actions are illegal. They know they are disrespecting our laws (and us), by coming here illegally. And as far as what Hillary (et al) say >> "just trying to make a better life for themselves" Yeah ? Well, that's what the guy who burglarizes you house says too. And the guy who steals your bicycle. Or your car. Or robs a conveience store. Or hacks into your bank account, and rips you off electronically.
They're all just trying to make a better life for themselves. But guess what. For every one of these dirtbags, there are thousands of people like myself who have never engaged in crime, and never been arrested. And there are millions of people remaining behind in Mexico, China, et al countries, who would like to make a better life for themselves but they're not trying to take money or property or jobs or welfare $$ away from people who those things rightfully belong to.
And the jobs in the US, rightfully belong to American citizens, not foreign invaders. And the wages paid from those jobs rightfully should be going to businesses here in the US, not to ones in Mexico, as a result of Billions of dollars being sent to Mexico by illegal aliens working on the US.
So the next time any liberal, illegal alien ass-kisser thinks about using the "just trying to make a better life for themselves" line, here's piece of of New York advice >> Fogetaboutit!
In post #35 you saidCan you focus?! Now you're thumping your chest over phantom claims that those in the military didn't do heavy lifting. You are taking things way too personal. Your anger has unnerved you sir.As a combat construction specialist in the Army, I did the heaviest lifting there is in America. I don't remember what the pay was, but it was probably less than minimum wage."competitive wage" - As defined by what an illegal will accept.
I usually pay $50.00 for heavy lifting an hour and all those legals come running.
In the town where I offered $20/hr the average wage for legal manual labor was $14/hr for sustained work. Since I only needed a couple hours of work I upped the amount.What I'm saying is, if unions and government regulations and greed didn't drive up the cost of US labor it would be less of a problem. If the our government did a better job of enforcing laws that are already in place, if our political leaders would stop offering leniency or worse to foreigners, if we Americans didn't have such a sense of entitlement ... then the illegal immigration problem would be far less of a concern.I don't think you've got it focused. Americans aren't losing jobs because of performance. They lose them because their wages are being undercut by the immigrants, in addition to substandard working conditions. And Mexicans arent the only ones. Chinese, Indians, and Filipinos are high on the list too, and in some places, White illegal aliens too, such as the Irish illegal aliens in the US northeast.Phew!! If all Americans put as much effort into finding and performing well at jobs as you do in writing posts then I don't think there would be a big problem with unemployed Americans losing out to foreigners. Or as you feel a need to single out - Mexicans.
Perhaps in your experiences the problem is not about the quality of the American, but in my experience, that was totally the deciding factor. But I just needed some heavy lifting. I approached unemployed but legal (some in homes, most not) Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics. Didn't run into any other races/ethnicities. Anyway, I offered a competitive wage (20/hr) and offered to provide transportation. All either turned me down or whined so much about details that I walked away. Approached some illegals with the exact same offer and got to pick out of a group of willing workers within seconds.
"competitive wage" - As defined by what an illegal will accept.
I usually pay $50.00 for heavy lifting an hour and all those legals come running.
You do realize wages differ across states, counties ,cities?
Well in that state at that time (2013) the legal minimum wage was around $10 I think. Unskilled Legal Manual labor (inside work - out of the elements) was $10-12 and outside work bent over on your hands and knees for 10 hrs/day (picking strawberries) was $14. Assuming you were hired on for the season, not just a day. Plus med benefits if applicable.In the town where I offered $20/hr the average wage for legal manual labor was $14/hr for sustained work. Since I only needed a couple hours of work I upped the amount.What I'm saying is, if unions and government regulations and greed didn't drive up the cost of US labor it would be less of a problem. If the our government did a better job of enforcing laws that are already in place, if our political leaders would stop offering leniency or worse to foreigners, if we Americans didn't have such a sense of entitlement ... then the illegal immigration problem would be far less of a concern.I don't think you've got it focused. Americans aren't losing jobs because of performance. They lose them because their wages are being undercut by the immigrants, in addition to substandard working conditions. And Mexicans arent the only ones. Chinese, Indians, and Filipinos are high on the list too, and in some places, White illegal aliens too, such as the Irish illegal aliens in the US northeast.Phew!! If all Americans put as much effort into finding and performing well at jobs as you do in writing posts then I don't think there would be a big problem with unemployed Americans losing out to foreigners. Or as you feel a need to single out - Mexicans.
Perhaps in your experiences the problem is not about the quality of the American, but in my experience, that was totally the deciding factor. But I just needed some heavy lifting. I approached unemployed but legal (some in homes, most not) Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics. Didn't run into any other races/ethnicities. Anyway, I offered a competitive wage (20/hr) and offered to provide transportation. All either turned me down or whined so much about details that I walked away. Approached some illegals with the exact same offer and got to pick out of a group of willing workers within seconds.
"competitive wage" - As defined by what an illegal will accept.
I usually pay $50.00 for heavy lifting an hour and all those legals come running.
You do realize wages differ across states, counties ,cities?
What do people in your town actually do for $14.00?
"legal manual labor" is a pretty broad category which obviously doesn't attract movers.
Illegal employers are only one of about 10 VESTED INTERESTS who support illegal immigration, and want illegal aliens for their own personal reasons. As for politics, Democrats are the problem, not Republicans. They consistently support AMNESTY for illegal aliens (they euphemistically call it "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", trying to make it sound legitimate).They aren't doing anything you wouldn't do if America only paid you $4 a day but Canadian companies would pay you $20.
Who's the problem? Illegal employers. Republicans.
Some time ago, I heard Hillary Clinton say (in referring to illegal aliens) that "they're just trying to make a better life for themselves." Nothing new there. We hear illegal alien ass-kissers say that all the time. They also try to put protectionists on the defensive by saying >> ("If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you do the same thing ?")
Well, fact is, I AM kind of in their shoes. Right now, I don't have enough money to pay all my bills. I have fallen behind in them, and my car is starting to make troublesome noises. So I have a choice. I can tough it out and try my best to come up with some extra money, or I can do what the illegal aliens do. I can disrespect the laws of the USA and the states within it, and I could commit illegal acts to try to get the money. I could burglarize houses. I could sell illegal drugs. I could mug people on the street. Steal cars, etc.
But I choose not to do those things. NO, I would NOT do the same thing. And the illegal aliens ? They DO choose the criminal path. They KNOW their actions are illegal. They know they are disrespecting our laws (and us), by coming here illegally. And as far as what Hillary (et al) say >> "just trying to make a better life for themselves" Yeah ? Well, that's what the guy who burglarizes you house says too. And the guy who steals your bicycle. Or your car. Or robs a conveience store. Or hacks into your bank account, and rips you off electronically.
They're all just trying to make a better life for themselves. But guess what. For every one of these dirtbags, there are thousands of people like myself who have never engaged in crime, and never been arrested. And there are millions of people remaining behind in Mexico, China, et al countries, who would like to make a better life for themselves but they're not trying to take money or property or jobs or welfare $$ away from people who those things rightfully belong to.
And the jobs in the US, rightfully belong to American citizens, not foreign invaders. And the wages paid from those jobs rightfully should be going to businesses here in the US, not to ones in Mexico, as a result of Billions of dollars being sent to Mexico by illegal aliens working on the US.
So the next time any liberal, illegal alien ass-kisser thinks about using the "just trying to make a better life for themselves" line, here's piece of of New York advice >> Fogetaboutit!
So how did you fuck up with 5 years of college? Was it Hamburger U?No you DON'T have it. When you don't make enough money throughout your life (despite 5 years of college) there IS NO planning for retirement. And the TOPIC is not about me, MR DODGE.So you didn't properly plan for your retirement. Got it.
I didn't say the immigrants I'd met were illegals. I was talking about the immigrants here that I've met. I'm glad I'm not the only "hard ass" out there; I do hope the problem is solved at some point. However, when people with such vitriol for Mexicans advocate the position, it makes it easier for the opposition to fight against it as "bigotry." I don't necessarily trust what you write about the subject because of your clear bias against them.1. I have posting in this forum for years about prosecuting criminal employers of illegal aliens, and bitching at the Obama administration for not doing that enough.I've got nothing against sending them home, along with any minor children regardless of where they were born. Greater minds than mine, however, seem to feel that is either untenable or will cause economic havoc. However, I do trust the statistics that tell us immigrants to this country commit less crime than American citizens. Probably they don't want to get sent home (or they're too busy working because that's REALLY why they're here). I don't support sanctuary cities or the stop on deportation of illegals who have commited crimes. Yet I still feel you're scapegoating the most powerless people in the equation, when if we actually prosecuted the CRIMINAL EMPLOYERS who are hiring them, it would kill two birds with one stone. No job, they'll go home on their own. And the employers who are encouraging this illegal immigration by rewarding them with jobs will be stopped. It seems more fair to me than picking on the littlest guy in the playground. I've worked with some immigrants here doing agricultural work and some folks from Mexico who are living here pretty much full-time now and they are hard working, respectful folks who have very little and don't complain. I just can't get as agitated about these folks as you are.
2. Those who are here for jobs may go home if they are denied jobs, and they may not. Why embark on a long journey back to Mexico if things there are just as bad as they are here. Easier just to stay here and go on welfare or turn to crime to get money.
3. There are millions of illegal aliens who never intended to work here. They came here only to get welfare. They come here with a young woman in her 8th month of pregnancy, and use a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment, to get citizenship for the baby born on the American side of the border, with the family then helping themselves to a lifetime of benefits$$$$, all at US taxpayer expense. For these illegals, jobs is not an issue at all.
4. No! Illegal aliens are NOT "respectful". They come in knowing they are violating our laws, therby DISrespecting our laws, and us.
