If us liberals are socialists and commies rightwingers are fascists

[Avatar4321]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

You need to read "The Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich von Hayek. Modern-day liberalism inevitably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual.

Having read "the Road to Serfdom" I would have to agree that it's an excellent book. However, I doubt Flaylo would be able to read something written in that format. There aren't even any pictures.

 

[Avatar4321]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

And communism isn't fascism?

No. They are different. They are two sides of the same coin, but they are different.

The difference between Communism and fascism is that Communism is an international movement, fascism is a national one. There are some differences in who owns property too.

 

[Charles_Main]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

in a Simplistic world of Black and white you would be right.

Thank god we live in the Real World.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Fascists were collectivists.

Wingnuts don't even know what fascism is.

WHAT? That IS what I said - Fascists are collectivists and conservative is individualists.

We are talking about right vs left. Try to pay attention

Besides, there are no conservatives on the right. The right doesn't want to conserve anything; The right wants radical change

Following the Constitution is radical change? If so then yes that's what we want.

But the Constitution is the issue. That is what we are trying to conserve. Our liberty and rights guarenteed by the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Avatar4321]

Fascists weren't at all Liberal. There were a nexus of goverment/business and religion. There were exclusionary of rival viewpoints. That's not Liberal at all. It is however, very conservative.

Liberals not exclusionary of rival viewpoints?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, you're killing me here

 

[Charles_Main]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

And communism isn't fascism?

No. They are different. They are two sides of the same coin, but they are different.

The difference between Communism and fascism is that Communism is an international movement, fascism is a national one. There are some differences in who owns property too.

In theory is there more difference between the 2 than in Practice. Put very simply. In practice you are giving everything you have to a communist state because the people all own it equally. In practice in a Fascist state you give everything to the State in order to enrich the State.

The outcome for people living under the 2 system is pretty much the same.

 

[Sallow]

No, not "conservative". There is nothing "conservative" about wanting to exclude and censor rival viewpoints. Radical change like that is the opposite of what conservatives support. The people who dishonestly call themselves "conservatives" are actually "rightwingers"

There is nothing conservative about censoring idea, but it is very rightwing.

Traditional conservatism is not radical.

There are no "traditional conservative" movements in the US of any significance. All of the conservative movements are either radical, or insignificant.

That's completely absurd.

 

[Sallow]

You obviously have no idea what Fascism really means and who pushes it.
Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who's always trying to "level the playing field" through "social engineering"? Liberals.

Fascists weren't at all Liberal. There were a nexus of goverment/business and religion. There were exclusionary of rival viewpoints. That's not Liberal at all. It is however, very conservative.

Wrong, it is leftwing.

Well you've made one heck of a compelling argument.

Feel free to back it up with facts at any time.

 

[Avatar4321]

And communism isn't fascism?

No. They are different. They are two sides of the same coin, but they are different.

The difference between Communism and fascism is that Communism is an international movement, fascism is a national one. There are some differences in who owns property too.

In theory is there more difference between the 2 than in Practice. Put very simply. In practice you are giving everything you have to a communist state because the people all own it equally. In practice in a Fascist state you give everything to the State in order to enrich the State.

The outcome for people living under the 2 system is pretty much the same.

I know there are more than those two. I just put those as the main two. There are others.

 

[Avatar4321]

Fascists weren't at all Liberal. There were a nexus of goverment/business and religion. There were exclusionary of rival viewpoints. That's not Liberal at all. It is however, very conservative.

Wrong, it is leftwing.

Well you've made one heck of a compelling argument.

Feel free to back it up with facts at any time.

What a shock that you ignored my compelling argument.

 

[Sallow]

Wrong, it is leftwing.

Well you've made one heck of a compelling argument.

Feel free to back it up with facts at any time.

What a shock that you ignored my compelling argument.

I have a tendency to ignore the ridiculous and absurd.

Forgive me.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well you've made one heck of a compelling argument.

Feel free to back it up with facts at any time.

What a shock that you ignored my compelling argument.

I have a tendency to ignore the ridiculous and absurd.

Forgive me.

Well, that's really a compelling argument. you sure showed me.

 

[Charles_Main]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

That is completely untrue.

There are plenty of Liberals who support the idea of shutting down speech they call hateful. Liberals who support the "fairness" doctrine. Etc Etc.


Free Speech means all speech is protected. You can not say. Hey you can't say "XXXXXX" cause that offends people.

They have every right to be ignorant asses and use the word.

 

[Sallow]

What a shock that you ignored my compelling argument.

I have a tendency to ignore the ridiculous and absurd.

Forgive me.

Well, that's really a compelling argument. you sure showed me.

Well maybe..or maybe not.

I advocate for liberal points of view while at the same time recognizing sometime Liberals can be wrong.

I don't make any attempts of "acting" like a moderate..I am a full on Liberal.

But like Walter Cronkrite..another Liberal..I will not pollute facts with advocacy.

I won't change the way something unfolded.

But I am bias. And I freely admit to that.

Facts should not change. But if you have a view of those facts..thats fine by me.

You?

 

[Avatar4321]

Well maybe..or maybe not.

I advocate for liberal points of view while at the same time recognizing sometime Liberals can be wrong.

I don't make any attempts of "acting" like a moderate..I am a full on Liberal.

But like Walter Cronkrite..another Liberal..I will not pollute facts with advocacy.

I won't change the way something unfolded.

But I am bias. And I freely admit to that.

Facts should not change. But if you have a view of those facts..thats fine by me.

You?

And what on earth does this have to do with anything I've argued?

I've never said facts should change. But the fact is that Fascism is on the left.

If you can explain how less government interference the lives of individuals leads to fascism, i might reconsider. But you guys aren't even bothering to try.

 

[sangha]

Traditional conservatism is not radical.

There are no "traditional conservative" movements in the US of any significance. All of the conservative movements are either radical, or insignificant.

That's completely absurd.

Well you've made one heck of a compelling argument.

Feel free to back it up with facts at any time

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Flaylo, once again, has sent the Dumbfuckofthemonthometer off the charts.

YAY FLAYLO!!!

 

[sangha]

Wrong, it is leftwing.

Well you've made one heck of a compelling argument.

Feel free to back it up with facts at any time.

What a shock that you ignored my compelling argument.

You are all conflating the "authoritarian/democracy" axis with the "left/right" axis. The are left wing democracies and rightwing democracies, and there are leftwing dictatorships and rightwing dictatorships. The tendency towards authoritarianism exists on both the left and right, is not inherent to either.

The primary difference between the left and the right is over the role of govt in our lives. The left believes that the govt should take an active role in promoting the general welfare of the entire population whenever it is within its' power to do so, while the right believes that govts power to promote the general welfare is limited to action in specific areas (national defense, protection of property, etc..there is debate on the right on just how limited these powers are)

There are other differences, such as

1) The right tends to be nationalistic and link their ideology to culture and relgious traditions while leftists tend to link their ideology to values that are universal, and not linked to any specific tradition.

2) The right tends to be more restrictive on social issues, while the left is more liberal.

3) The left analyzes economics in terms of class and seeks social justice through economic equity (not equality), while the right analyzes it in terms of Social Darwinism and seeks economic efficiency and profit

None of these differences require an authoritarian regime.

 

[sangha]

I can play the label game too, fascism is actually typical of far right loons, socialism is not always typical of liberals, no liberal wants to live in a country without freedom of speech and religion and zero opportunity to maximize their potential.

That is completely untrue.

There are plenty of Liberals who support the idea of shutting down speech they call hateful. Liberals who support the "fairness" doctrine. Etc Etc.


Free Speech means all speech is protected. You can not say. Hey you can't say "XXXXXX" cause that offends people.

They have every right to be ignorant asses and use the word.

Umm, the Fairness Doctrine did not censor any point of view or opinion. It merely required that equal time be given to someone with an opposing POV or opinion.

If wingnuts didn't lie, they'd have nothing to say

And when it comes to censoring the airwaves, it's the rightwingers who want to censor cable, TV and radio. It wasn't the left who made Luci and Ricky Ricardo sleep in seperate beds.