If the US healthcare system is the best and socialism is the worst

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    Primarily, they don't. They idea that people come in droves to the US for care is largely an overblown myth.

    However, when it comes to Cancer treatment, the US is the best in achieving a successful outcome ie survivability.

    In other conditions, the best doctors come here to the US because they can make money here. But, they are very, very, very expensive and the vast majority of Americans could never get seen by them, let alone treated. They are doctors for the elite only and they will exist no matter what system we are under.

    In the few cases in which poor people come to the US for treatment, it's either: Their case is high profile or an anomaly, which will yield a paper or it's done pro bono for PR.
     
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    Three times? You know this how? Because it sounds like a good number to you?

    States are quite free to have their own standards for toothpaste, food, drugs - whatever you like - its called federalism.
     
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    No he didn't.
     
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    I get all my dental work done in Mexico.

    Its definitely not better than here. But it costs 1/10th the amount and its certainly not 10 times worse.


    In the U.S. when the doc thinks you might have sleep apnea, they send you to a "sleep clinic", which is basically a place you go to sleep for a night while your insurance company pours thousands upon thousands of dollars into the doc's checking account and the accounts of whatever CPAP manufacturer the doc is in bed with.

    In Canada I hear they send you home with a pulse oximeter. The disease can be diagnosed based on oxygen levels in the blood while sleeping. Turns out that isn't that expensive to figure out - but the "sleep clinic" makes people a lot more money (except you and your insurance company)
     
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    When he signed PPACA, and instructed his lawyers to defend it on the basis of the commerce clause, he did.
     
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    The problem with your concept is that it doesn't work anywhere it is tried. In order to have one big pool of money to fund it all, you have to have massive rules and regulations for the administration of that money which adds layers and layers of bureaucracy to a system that is already so bloated and top heavy and convoluted that noboby few even know what their job is actually accompllishing; much less do they have any good feel for how healthcare is actually administered to those receiving it.

    And that huge, bloated, and ever growing bureaucracy swallows up more and more--huge chunks--of the money that never gets to anybody that actually needs it.

    One example of why the federal government should not be in charge of administration of healthcare. My aunt has severe osteoporosis that required regular injections to control. When blood tests showed that the injections she was getting were also affecting her liver, they had to stop them and find another treatment.

    The most effective treatment, which incidentally is the cheapest, Medicare has not approved unless the person has had their gall bladder removed. I asked the doctor what the gall bladder has to do with osteoporosis and he said nothing. It was just one of hundreds of ridiculous rules the federal government includes in Medicare regulations.

    If we put our healthcare system back into a free market system, those lobbyists would have nobody to lobby to write ridiculous rules and regulations controlling our healthcare.
     
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    yes all 12,000 liberal lobbyists would have no liberal politicians to buy off if we had the IQ to understand Republican capitalism
     
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    The average American worker pays $3,515 annually for family coverage, according to a 2009 survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation/Health Research & Educational Trust




    Public expenditure on health
    As a percentage of total expenditure on health
    France: 77.9
    Germany: 76.9
    UK: 84.1
    USA 47.7
    Health: Key Tables from OECD - OECD iLibraryPublic expenditure on health
     
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    Yeah.. that's dumb. They should stop doing that.
     
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    And upon closer examination:

    Countries with governments and economies similar to the United States have come up with a variety of methods to make sure that all of their citizens receive health care. While residents in Europe and Japan may pay higher insurance premiums or taxes than Americans, in the end, when all costs are added up, Americans spend more money on health care per person with fewer people covered. (Data most recent available as of July 2008)
    Compare International Medical Bills : NPR



    How does US healthcare compare to the rest of the world? | News | guardian.co.uk

    Health Care Expenditures: An International Comparison | Online NewsHour | August 21, 2009 | PBS
     

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