If the US healthcare system is the best and socialism is the worst

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    Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???


    Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.


    Success is self-evident CONZ.
    Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
    Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
    Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
     
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    If socialist countries have a more copacetic form of healthcare....what's keeping you here?
     
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    You can't be this stupid....
     
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    :lol: Why not?
     
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    In a democracy often the laws have to be compromises, and the result is programs that reflect those compromises. Usually, once the law is in place it begins to be altered, added to, and gradually improved. How many times has Social Security been changed since 1935? If this health care law hangs in there, over the years it will be gradually improved and may become a program that equals other nation's health care. To write a good law the first time is almost unAmerican, and reflects badly on the party out of power.
     
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    Statistically speaking, the US pays more per person for Health Care than any other country in the world and with the exception of cancer ( If you have cancer, your chances of survival is higher in the US than anywhere else ) we receive less benefit.

    So we pay more for less.

    Only an idiot would find that favorable.
     
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    Probably because they're socialists. The real question is their system sustainable. Based on the recent flurry of socialist country bailouts, it would appear there is a fundamental problem with a socialist approach to government, including healthcare. You see, they've run out of other people's money.
     
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    Problem here is you address the symptoms not the cause. That's like saying the problem of poverty is lack of money.

    That's idiotic.
     
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    Untrue.

    Judging by life span, the United States is number one.

    "Critics of the U.S. health care system frequently maintain that other countries have superior health care we should use as models for U.S. reform. They argue that many countries spend far less on health care than the United States yet seem to enjoy better health outcomes.

    However, these claims fall apart upon careful examination. Compared to the rest of the world, the U.S. has top-tier survival rates, choice of providers, and very short wait times. It turns out that the statistics critics cite either are incomplete or compare apples to oranges.


    Life Expectancy. Another frequently cited statistic is that according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, the U.S. ranks 18th among 30 world democracies in life expectancy. However, health care is not the only factor in life expectancy. If you correct for two causes of death not directly related to health care—homicides and automobile accidents—the U.S. actually rises to the top of the list for life expectancy."
    Inaccurate Grounds for Calling U.S. Health Care Inferior

    Just one more example of Alexander Pope's rule...

    "A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
    And drinking largely sobers us again."
     
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    Absolutely false.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    Based on life expectancy alone, the US ranks 36th.

    If you correct for homicides and car accidents? Really? Because Japan ( the real #1, though the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear incident will most likely knock them out of that spot ) does have homicide or car accidents?

    Or are you saying Americans are just far more reckless driving and far more murderous than the rest of the world do lets not count those deaths?

    Either way, it doesnt paint a very good picture of us, does it?
     

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